[Denver]

Yet people still want us to put refugees before our own

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How many coming into are country are physically incapable or working. They should be forced to do menial work to earn their benefits and pay towards any medical care out of their benefits - that amount should be taken out of their benefits before they receive it.

I see you are steering the conversation toward immigration again, that is not the topic of the thread. If you could try not to deviate too far it would be appreciated.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Yet people still want us to put refugees before our own

We invited Jewish refugees in the 40s, do you feel that was wrong?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I recommend you read a book called 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist' by Robert Tressell You would laugh at how similar your words sound to the struggling working class characters in his book.

It was published in 1911

Haha! I bought my daughter her own copy of that this Christmas.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We invited Jewish refugees in the 40s, do you feel that was wrong?

Yes at when it puts our own in danger we should not be having people live in poverty in our country in 2017

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I recommend you read a book called 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist' by Robert Tressell You would laugh at how similar your words sound to the struggling working class characters in his book.

It was published in 1911

Well they are worse today. Why would someone not want to work for the same money they get on benefits until they can get something better. People in work who can provide recent references are more like to get another, better Job than the long-term unemployed.

It's about thinking long-term and increasing your chances of getting the right job as well as pride - but too many don't think like that, they just Moan that they are not going to go to the effort of actually working for a living for the same money as they can get in hand-outs.

Pretty sad indictment of our Work-shy society today - because they have been spoilt with hand-outs.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see you are steering the conversation toward immigration again, that is not the topic of the thread. If you could try not to deviate too far it would be appreciated.

If it relates, it relates.

[DemolitionRed]

And lets remember, not all of us are lucky enough to have a family who will help us out of sticky situations.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Haha! I bought my daughter her own copy of that this Christmas.

Its a good book and one that makes you realize that the struggling mans attitude back then is no different than the struggling mans attitude today.

[user104658]

Poverty doesn't exist. In my day. Something about wars. Workshy. Scrounger. Seen them with iPhones. Other generic comment.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Well they are worse today. Why would someone not want to work for the same money they get on benefits until they can get something better. People in work who can provide recent references are more like to get another, better Job than the long-term unemployed.

It's about thinking long-term and increasing your chances of getting the right job as well as pride - but too many don't think like that, they just Moan that they are not going to go to the effort of actually working for a living for the same money as they can get in hand-outs.

Pretty sad indictment of our Work-shy society today - because they have been spoilt with hand-outs.

And how do we drum up all those jobs... simply by wishing for them?. Are you aware that recruitment is still at an all time low? Me thinks you've been watching/reading too much 'poverty porn' which was invented for people like you.

I bet you love Jeremy Kyle

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And how do we drum up all those jobs... simply by wishing for them?. Are you aware that recruitment is still at an all time low? Me thinks you've been watching/reading too much 'poverty porn' which was invented for people like you.

I bet you love Jeremy Kyle

Jeremy Kyle are you kidding!

There seem to be plenty of jobs for all the Polish coming here. If there are no jobs - why are we letting them all in - to dip into our already seriously depleted benefits system. Which is it then?

Your comments are ridiculous and your insults quite frankly pathetic.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Jeremy Kyle are you kidding!

There seem to be plenty of jobs for all the Polish coming here. If there are no jobs - why are we letting them all in - to dip into our already seriously depleted benefits system. Which is it then?

Your comments are ridiculous and your insults quite frankly pathetic.

The same reason they are letting Brits go and work in other EU countries. Are you aware that over 30,000 Brits are claiming benefits in other EU countries?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Neem is in her forties not born in the forties

ITS NOT NEEM
she is young northern mod

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Poverty doesn't exist. In my day. Something about wars. Workshy. Scrounger. Seen them with iPhones. Other generic comment.

Scumbag Tories, scumbag Trump, NHS would collapse if it wasnt for immigration, poor refugees, unions protect workers from fatcat bosses, we need to open our borders and our hearts, build more mosques and go veggie

etc

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Poverty doesn't exist. In my day. Something about wars. Workshy. Scrounger. Seen them with iPhones. Other generic comment.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Yes at when it puts our own in danger we should not be having people live in poverty in our country in 2017

It hasn't put our own in danger, again this isn't the topic of the thread is it?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If it relates, it relates.

How does it relate, where is the connection?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Jeremy Kyle are you kidding!

There seem to be plenty of jobs for all the Polish coming here. If there are no jobs - why are we letting them all in - to dip into our already seriously depleted benefits system. Which is it then?

Your comments are ridiculous and your insults quite frankly pathetic.

Ask yourself why employers are recruiting from eastern Europe via agencies for warehouse, hospitality and construction work... is it to avoid paying wages here maybe?...is that right?
They are not coming here to claim benefits but to work.

After brexit there have been assurances that this steady stream of cheap labour will continue, therefore nothing will change for the low skilled of this country will it?

I agree with DR your view is quite blinkered, and your comments could very well be soundbites from poverty porn. It's not pathetic to voice that.
It isn't the faultof eastern Europeans that jobs are being advertised in their countries and not here.
If they are not working within 3 months of arrival they must return, therefore is isn't for benefits either.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We invited Jewish refugees in the 40s, do you feel that was wrong?

They had to pay a fee to come, we didn't welcome with open arms


Although British immigration policy was liberalised after Kristallnacht - the pogrom launched by Goebbels in November 1939, in which dozens of Jews were killed and more than 1,000 synagogues burned down - London challenges the idea that prewar Britain was a haven for those fleeing Nazi brutality. "The myth was born that Britain did all it could for the Jews between 1933 and 1945. This comfortable view has proved remarkably durable, and is still adduced to support claims that Britain has always admitted genuine refugees, and that the latest harsh measures against asylum seekers are merely designed to exclude bogus applicants. . .We remember the touching photographs and newsreel footage of unaccompanied Jewish children arriving on the Kindertransports [ by July 1939, 7,700 had arrived, compared with 1,850 admitted into Holland, 800 into France, 700 into Belgium, and 250 into Sweden]. There are no such photographs of the Jewish parents left behind in Nazi Europe. . .The Jews excluded from entry to the United Kingdom are not part of the British experience, because Britain never saw them. . .Memories of the unsuccessful public campaign to persuade the government to rescue Jews from mass murder faded quickly."

What's more, those that were granted entry were admitted only because the Jewish community guaranteed that it would bear all the expenses of accommodation and maintenance, with no burden placed on the public purse. Elsewhere, Canada accommodated only 5,000 European Jews between 1933 and 1945, Australia 10,000, South Africa some 6,000. And the US's unyielding quota system meant that, between 1933 and 1937, only 33,000 German Jews were admitted (and only 124,000 between 1938 and 1941).

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ask yourself why employers are recruiting from eastern Europe via agencies for warehouse, hospitality and construction work... is it to avoid paying wages here maybe?...is that right?
They are not coming here to claim benefits but to work.

After brexit there have been assurances that this steady stream of cheap labour will continue, therefore nothing will change for the low skilled of this country will it?

I agree with DR your view is quite blinkered, and your comments could very well be soundbites from poverty porn. It's not pathetic to voice that.
It isn't the faultof eastern Europeans that jobs are being advertised in their countries and not here.
If they are not working within 3 months of arrival they must return, therefore is isn't for benefits either.

Immigrants can't win they are either coming for bennies or they are taking the jobs. (That no one wants to do here), although what I will say is they are more likely to work for less than minimum wage and this attitude doesn't help as there are so many companies who exploit this

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It hasn't put our own in danger, again this isn't the topic of the thread is it?

We send billions to help other countries rather then give to our own love

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Immigrants can't win they are either coming for bennies or they are taking the jobs. (That no one wants to do here), although what I will say is they are more likely to work for less than minimum wage and this attitude doesn't help as there are so many companies who exploit this

Oh yes this is how it was initially sold, the jobs nobody wants... Nobody can legally work for less than minimum wage in this country unless you are employed by an agency in another country.
It is exploitation pure and simple, of them and us.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

We send billions to help other countries rather then give to our own love

If you want discuss international aid start a thread, please don't patronise me on mine.

[DemolitionRed]

Back to modern day poverty...

People have got a short memory if they don't remember the brutal £12bn welfare cuts by a treasurer who's logic was, if the Tories make life for poor people insufferable, they will simply choose to be well-off.