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Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 02:20 PM

that post is really head exploding

but I do like the idea that they would win by saving the target rather than originally aiming to kill their target, i do have a feeling Cole will vanish though, i don't think it will be a proper "happy" ending

Lostie! · 20-06-2018, 02:31 PM

Yeah a proper happy ending won't feel right, I'd be disappointed. They'll beat Olivia but at a big cost, I've always said I see this having a really bittersweet ending. And there can be no Cole and Cassie if they do win.

And about your point of them saving rather than killing, remember when Cole saved Ramse and said saving somebody who was supposed to die was the only thing that ever made a difference? And then there was the time they were stuck in a time loop when Cassie was trying to kill Jones and only got out of it when they saved Hannah. So yeah, I'm on board with the idea that saving Olivia is how they end this.

We still have the corpse with the virus origin to factor in to all this as well

Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 02:37 PM

Yeah great points lostie, god I so need a rewatch of the whole thing once it ends. That was one of my favourite episodes actually, the time loop one. I love TV shows/films that are Ground Hog Day esque.

"We still have the corpse with the virus origin to factor in to all this as well"

Yeah, I literally have no theories at all on how that comes about tbh

Lostie! · 20-06-2018, 02:43 PM

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Yeah great points lostie, god I so need a rewatch of the whole thing once it ends. That was one of my favourite episodes actually, the time loop one. I love TV shows/films that are Ground Hog Day esque.

"We still have the corpse with the virus origin to factor in to all this as well"

Yeah, I literally have no theories at all on how that comes about tbh

One theory about it I've seen is that the show is just one big unbreakable cycle and will end with Cole becoming the source of the virus and nothing being stopped. Which would be a really depressing (but ballsy) way to end it

Cole as the origin has always been my theory but I just can't see the show ending in complete failure for Team Splinter.

Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 02:48 PM

Oh I would hate that

Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 02:49 PM

but it does seem like that corpse is his from the little hints

Lostie! · 20-06-2018, 04:58 PM

I think him or Olivia but more likely him.

The revelation that Olivia's mother lost faith in The Witness was interesting, didn't expect that. I remember when Olivia had her own crisis of faith she visited her mother's grave and said "You told me The Witness would always be there for me", she's probably referring to the years of being raised by her but it would be cool if she told her that while on her death bed since by that point she knows The Witness is Olivia's future self after witnessing her possession

Seeing how she died tied up something that was always a loose end for me too. It always seemed like she just died of old age which didn't make sense considering The Messengers were created to age slower and be resistant to illness and there was no implication she'd lived for ages and then travelled back to the 70s before dying, so having Cassie accidentally shoot her works

Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 06:20 PM

Oh I was just thinking that the clue we got from Jennifer about the eyes could also fit Olivia actually if she were his grandmother, maybe they have the same eyes hhhmm or his mother

Lostie! · 20-06-2018, 06:24 PM

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Oh I was just thinking that the clue we got from Jennifer about the eyes could also fit Olivia actually if she were his grandmother, maybe they have the same eyes hhhmm or his mother

Hmm good thinking!

There's also a Deacon = Olivia's son theory going round too

Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 06:30 PM

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Hmm good thinking!

There's also a Deacon = Olivia's son theory going round too

Oh that's a new one, how would that be right though?

Lostie! · 20-06-2018, 06:40 PM

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Oh that's a new one, how would that be right though?

I think because of how irrelevant Deacon seems in the grand scheme of things (which he pointed out himself last season) and Olivia telling him he's wasted on Team Splinter but not her, and then the last episode introducing Olivia's child and also bringing Deacon into Olivia's team, some people are thinking this is how he ends up serving a purpose and as her child he'll be an important part of the end of the story. And her telling him he's hard to kill, which describes her genes perfectly.

I dunno though, as shocking as it would be I'd be a bit disappointed just because I've never cared for Deacon

Since I've been wanting Olivia to be Cole's mother, the next best thing is having her child be his mother and it would work in the timeline too so I'm hoping for that.

Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 06:47 PM

Hhhmm yeah it seems like maybe he is relevant in some way alright now you put it like that

Lostie! · 20-06-2018, 06:58 PM

Oh I forgot to say I loved the whole thing with Cole and Jones stealing a power core for the machine from their past selves and that being the reason they needed Spearhead's core back in season 1 in the first place

And the conversation between the two Joneses being foreshadowed last season, Jones mentioned having a drunken hallucination that helped her solve some early time travel issues and that was this meeting with her future self all along.

And the scene where future Cassie on the TV looked directly at the screen to talk to her past self because she knew she was watching because she'd already watched it and received the advice from herself. *suddenly needs to take a couple paracetamol tablets*

Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 07:32 PM

Yeah that's why I need to rewatch again when it ends

Lostie! · 20-06-2018, 07:39 PM

Yeah I'm definitely having a full rewatch when it's over, if only to dull the pain

Still need to watch the movie too

Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 07:54 PM

I'm holding off rewatching the movie aswell until after the show finishes, it was years ago when I saw it so I can't remember it too well. We should plan a rewatch and discussion on that too

Lostie! · 20-06-2018, 08:33 PM

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I'm holding off rewatching the movie aswell until after the show finishes, it was years ago when I saw it so I can't remember it too well. We should plan a rewatch and discussion on that too

It's a date

Lostie! · 20-06-2018, 08:35 PM

I found the song that Jennifer plays to distract Olivia in season 2 and it'll forever be the Jennifer Goines anthem for me now (along with 99 Red Balloons of course)

Youtube video

Niamh. · 20-06-2018, 09:08 PM

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It's a date

Lostie! · 21-06-2018, 10:04 AM

I'm looking forward to more medieval scenes, I loved that opening (Donald Sumpter, another great guest star

). That figure in the armor version of the Witness Mask is creepy, wonder if that's Olivia (assuming so).

Niamh. · 25-06-2018, 09:05 PM

Just finished episode 6

Spoiler:

Lostie! · 25-06-2018, 09:36 PM

Jennifer singing U + Ur Hand to Hitler and the Nazis whilst Cassie and Cole take out more Nazis with her in a kinky outfit for distraction is one of the best sequences this show has done

Elliot Jones was great, never expected him to be so heavily involved beyond him creating the splinter machine and being Jones' ex husband. And his assistant Emma being Olivia's daughter

I saw a theory that Marion Woods might actually be a place that Cole's mother used for an alias. Remember when I pointed out how the surname Woods could relate to Olivia leaving her baby under a tree? Emma's my top prediction for Cole's mother anyway. BLOODY BOOKMARK ME!!

LOVED how everything in the 1960s episode was a big loop they created themselves

Great to see Christopher Lloyd, the Tall Man and Gale again too.