[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

Our first responsibility is to the British Public. Legally we don't have to bring her back. And what a poster girl she'll be for Muslim Terrorism back here in the UK! I care as much about her being (or not being) tried abroad as I do about any other terrorist.

Supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation and membership of a proscribed organisation both carry as 10 year sentence. She'd be out in 5. Encouraging terrorism would being a 7 year sentence, out in 3. That's what she'll get if she's allowed home, out and free well before she's turned 30. And once she is out we'll have to keep her under surveillance forever at enormous cost. And she's not even tried to atone for her actions, she's proud of what she did.

Like I said earlier, there is a line, and she's crossed it. Maybe an Islamic country will take pity on her. But I doubt it.

looking at it logically, she would be out just in time to indoctrinate her kid

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Our first responsibility is to the British Public.

But not for the British public? Fair enough, I find it an odd stance, especially when paired with the insistence that dangerous individuals who are NOT from the UK, but are living in the UK, should be returned to their home countries. Is it not hypocrisy to say that all dangerous individuals should rightly be returned to their country of origin... but dangerous individuals from the UK should NOT be returned to the UK? Are we for some reason an exception to that logic? Or does it simply not matter if it's a moral and logical contradiction... so long as we personally are as safe as possible?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Given the security risk she poses, I would rather have her here locked up than face the possibility of her sneaking back in under the guise of a refugee and flying under.the radar....if we know she is locked down there is no chance of her deciding to become a martyr to the cause. I do believe she should be locked up though and not just put on a watch list

what would she be convicted of though, she says she was just a housewife, only 10 per cent of returnees end up behind bars and not for very long I would imagine

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what would she be convicted of though, she says she was just a housewife, only 10 per cent of returnees end up behind bars and not for very long I would imagine

Like I said above, if she's thrown in jail, she'll still be out and free long before she's 30.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Like I said above, if she's thrown in jail, she'll still be out and free long before she's 30.

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe would be my priority

[thesheriff443]

She had wanted the baby to fight for Isis she has called it jarra in honour of a jahidist who slaughtered Jews.

Her and those like her need a bullet in the head.

[Denver]

Yank the child from her then feed her back to ISIS to sort

[Beso]

Just heard she will beheading home soon.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just heard she will beheading home soon.

[Beso]

Has she actually done anything wrong yet?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Has she actually done anything wrong yet?

She left this country to join a proscribed terrorist organisation. You know what Islamic State is responsible for. Surely you understand that none of them are innocent?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

She left this country to join a proscribed terrorist organisation. You know what Islamic State is responsible for. Surely you understand that none of them are innocent?

I've already said earlier on this thread I would not let her back here.

Nothing I've seen of her or even heard from her since, has altered my view.

I totally agree with your comments on this Livia.
I don't think she really regrets anything at all.
I think allowing her back would send a really bad and weak message.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've already said earlier on this thread I would not let her back here.

Nothing I've seen of her or even heard from her since, has altered my view.

I totally agree with your comments on this Livia.
I don't think she really regrets anything at all.
I think allowing her back would send a really bad and weak message.

I was a bit shocked with her cold bravado at first when she said she regretted nothing. Now she says she does have some regrets. But her face looked the same when she made both statements, so who knows which one is true?!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was a bit shocked with her cold bravado at first when she said she regretted nothing. Now she says she does have some regrets. But her face looked the same when she made both statements, so who knows which one is true?!

Did you see her interview with the Scottish interviewer, where he asked her about her thoughts on the Manchester attacks...

[UserSince2005]

8edit*nasty bitch.

[smudgie]

Maybe the way forward is for her to be tried in the country she was living in when supporting IS?
Seems fair

[Livia]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Maybe the way forward is for her to be tried in the country she was living in when supporting IS?
Seems fair

And legally, the UK can ask for that to happen.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Maybe the way forward is for her to be tried in the country she was living in when supporting IS?
Seems fair

That’s my view too.

The baby should be taken into care or looked after by a decent family who won’t radicalise it and she should be handed over to the Syrian government.

There’s enough radicalisation going on in UK prisons we don’t need anymore.Then if she’s released in ten years time its going to cost millions in surveillance to monitor her for the rest of her life.

[MTVN]

I believe she's currently in territory held by the Kurds though so it's not as simple as her being tried in Syria.. they are still busy fighting a civil war there and can't be holding trials for the thousands of people who lived in IS territory. Plus we don't have a relationship with the Syrian government atm

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I believe she's currently in territory held by the Kurds though so it's not as simple as her being tried in Syria.. they are still busy fighting a civil war there and can't be holding trials for the thousands of people who lived in IS territory. Plus we don't have a relationship with the Syrian government atm

Syria currently doesn't have the infrastructure for basic food and sanitation, let alone a functioning courts system. The idea that she should be "tried there" is a fantasy, might as well suggest she be tried in Narnia.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Syria currently doesn't have the infrastructure for basic food and sanitation, let alone a functioning courts system. The idea that she should be "tried there" is a fantasy, might as well suggest she be tried in Narnia.

she could be tried in iraq just as easily

[thesheriff443]

She will be back in this country without doubt, we already keep murderers from this country and others live the cushy life in prison and then let uk killers back on the street and some times we send foreign killers back home.

We should kill the muderers and spend the money it cost on keeping them on good people, plus killing them sets the tone, that if you kill you will be killed.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

She will be back in this country without doubt, we already keep murderers from this country and others live the cushy life in prison and then let uk killers back on the street and some times we send foreign killers back home.

We should kill the muderers and spend the money it cost on keeping them on good people, plus killing them sets the tone, that if you kill you will be killed.

Have you ever been to prison? I always find that the whole 'holiday park' narrative that gets thrown around in regards to prison life often comes from people who have never been.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Have you ever been to prison? I always find that the whole 'holiday park' narrative that gets thrown around in regards to prison life often comes from people who have never been.

So I need to have been in prison to have an opinion, have you been a member of a terrorist group has you hav an opinion on this thread?

Don’t ask silly questions dezzy.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

So I need to have been in prison to have an opinion, have you been a member of a terrorist group has you hav an opinion on this thread?

Don’t ask silly questions dezzy.

I want you to point out where I said you needed to go to prison in order to have an opinion on it, do that challenge and then go wipe the egg off your face.

As for your comparison, it's quite frankly dumb. You can have an opinion on prison but to say that it's a holiday park and make out that it's easy like it's a fact when you've never actually experienced it yourself makes your opinion uninformed, it's still an opinion, you're free to say it but you're uninformed on the matter as your views are based on assumptions with no basis in fact.

It has also jack **** to do with having an opinion of IS, you don't need to go to prison to know that it's a bad place to be and you don't need to join a terror group to have an opinion on terrorism. It's just a senseless comparison that's based on pure reactionary anger rather than logic and it shows.

Don't make silly comparisons, Sheriff.

Also do more to actually read and understand what's been said, this isn't the first time in this thread where you've misconstrued what I've said completely to suit your own argument.