[arista]

[arista]

[I may never head the Commonwealth,
admits William in dramatic statement saying
he and Kate are 'committed to service'
after 'colonialism' row over their Caribbean
The Duke of Cambridge addressed growing
republican sentiment inside the Caribbean
at the end of his tour
William and Kate spent a week
on the tour which was branded
'tone deaf' and plagued by several PR gaffes
William tacitly acknowledged the
anti-royalist sentiment,
in his extraordinary statement at the tour's end
It is claimed with the ailing Queen,
there are cracks showing in the
70-year-old Commonwealth]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...monwealth.html

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Keeping the natives away from them at all costs.

Slim, I wish you wouldn't refer to the Jamaicans as 'Natives'; at least you didn't preface it with 'dirty' this time.

The journalist Robert Jobson who is travelling with the Cambridges on their 9 day trip said the fence incident was grossly misrepresented.
“There was an fence around the football pitch where hundreds of youngsters had gathered to meet the players, including Raheem Sterling, as well as the Royals.
Of course they went over, if they hadn't, they would have been accused of snubbing them."

[arista]

Its typical of Slim
Inspired by Left wingers
like JOE

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[jet]

You go William! He gave notice of this when he broke the tradition of saying nothing when he made the ‘we are very much not a racist family’ retort to a rude reporter’s question.

"William believes that saying nothing is the right path in less contentious issues; but if he feels it is appropriate he will not let very damaging untruths be left uncontested” says a senior Palace source."

[GoldHeart]

There's awkwardness , and alot of the photo's feel forced.

[jet]

Robert Hardman. Daily Mail
We live in an age where the Twitter-driven battalions of the perpetually offended are constantly seeking their next grievance. And here was a gem. They could actually take offence – at a fence.
Privileged white royal tourists shielded from the black children of Trench Town? ‘Outrageous’/ ‘colonial’ etc.

Except, I have spoken to some of those who were actually on the spot. The scene was nothing of the sort.

The fence has been there for years, helping to keep spectators off the pitch but also keeping balls and children from spilling out on to the adjacent road. A big crowd had gathered to view the celebrity visit and they were yelling at the Cambridges to come across for a chat.
The ‘colonial’ response would actually have been to ignore these uninvited crowds. Instead, the couple went over – and then went round to the other side of the fence on their way out where they were mobbed once again.

This is our world today; lies proven to be so and distortion of facts become widespread ‘accepted dishonesty’ to suit those with an agenda.

[jet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's awkwardness , and alot of the photo's feel forced.

I totally disagree.
In the vast majority of the photos they are smiling, laughing and looking very relaxed....and Kate looked radiant.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's awkwardness , and alot of the photo's feel forced.

Definitely. They really ought to sweep this under the carpet now with all the other PR disasters.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Same as above to jet. It's not meant to be funny, it's true. Rangers fans are Royalists and Loyalists and either 1) are sectarian or 2) don't give a **** that their friends are sectarian. If they did they would step away.

From the small town I come from, I know 12 catholic rangers supporters

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

What a narrow minded, unsophisticated viewpoint. Maybe those you refer to haven't travelled much and have not gone much further than their own backyard?

I love this forum's ability to argue with straight-up facts . I don't really feel any need to prove myself, come to Glasgow on Old Firm day... or anywhere in Ayrshire on the 12th of July.

I grew up in a small Ayrshire town heavily embroiled in the Masonic Lodge. I spend half of my teens kicking around Glasgow. My dad is Catholic, his dad was Protestant, my mum's parents were hardcore Church of Scotland and flag-waving Royalists complete with Royal Wedding Collectible Plates on the wall.

My wife is Catholic, her maternal grandparents were all Irish Catholic and her paternal grandad was a masonic lodge protestant - that's in the North of England - it's completely different in Scotland and the Old Firm is heavily, heavily interwoven with loyalists/royalists and sectarianism.

This is just ... stone cold fact. I lived it my entire childhood .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

it's completely different in Scotland and the Old Firm is heavily, heavily interwoven with loyalists/royalists and sectarianism.

This is just ... stone cold fact. I lived it my entire childhood .

You didn’t say ‘In Scotland’ in your original post on this subject. However, can you speak for the whole of Scotland, surely you can only speak for certain about the areas that you grew up in and experienced.
In N.ireland, before the Troubles, whole families of not only Protestants, but Catholics too, went to see ‘the bands’ on the 12th of July. Hard to believe nowadays I know.
We always lodged a few guys from a Scottish band when they came over, a lot of people did. The McKeys, a Catholic family did! They used to laugh and say the Scottish ones always had big beer bellies and ‘ate and drank them out of house and home’.

During the Troubles, sectarianism mainly existed in and around border areas and the main cities, especially in contentious areas of Derry and Belfast, where I grew up. As I moved away to live in other parts, I found people on the whole couldn’t give a stuff whether you were a ‘Taig’ or a ‘Prod’ or what football team you supported; they lived in the same area’s, socialised together, their kids played together, when they discussed the ‘Troubles’ they were disgusted and horrified at the murders carried out in their names on both sides.

Political alliances and arguments weren’t part of their life; their families, friends, work were their focus. Good, normal, fair people.
No barbed wire fences, no12 feet walls, no provocative graffiti, no flags on the houses or streets.
When the Queen visited N.Ireland (I think it was 2008) a huge crowd of us, from both sides, went out in force to cheer her. I've seen quite a few Royals over the years and my Dad met many of them when they went to Hillsborough Castle. We were always agog to hear about it when he got home - and I myself met the Queen and Philip when I was little. They were wonderful and I've always treasured the moment.

Our own experiences shape us, that much is true.

[bots]

jet, take a look at the rangers fan forum if you need any convincing

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

jet, take a look at the rangers fan forum if you need any convincing

TBH, I'm not even sure of what I'm supposed to be convinced of?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

jet, take a look at the rangers fan forum if you need any convincing

And the entire rangers support post there do they?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/for...champions-den/


I dont think you will find any mention of the Royal Family in any thread

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

You didn’t say ‘In Scotland’ in your original post on this subject. However, can you speak for the whole of Scotland, surely you can only speak for certain about the areas that you grew up in and experienced.
In N.ireland, before the Troubles, whole families of not only Protestants, but Catholics too, went to see ‘the bands’ on the 12th of July. Hard to believe nowadays I know.
We always lodged a few guys from a Scottish band when they came over, a lot of people did. The McKeys, a Catholic family did! They used to laugh and say the Scottish ones always had big beer bellies and ‘ate and drank them out of house and home’.

During the Troubles, sectarianism mainly existed in and around border areas and the main cities, especially in contentious areas of Derry and Belfast, where I grew up. As I moved away to live in other parts, I found people on the whole couldn’t give a stuff whether you were a ‘Taig’ or a ‘Prod’ or what football team you supported; they lived in the same area’s, socialised together, their kids played together, when they discussed the ‘Troubles’ they were disgusted and horrified at the murders carried out in their names on both sides.

Political alliances and arguments weren’t part of their life; their families, friends, work were their focus. Good, normal, fair people.
No barbed wire fences, no12 feet walls, no provocative graffiti, no flags on the houses or streets.
When the Queen visited N.Ireland (I think it was 2008) a huge crowd of us, from both sides, went out in force to cheer her. I've seen quite a few Royals over the years and my Dad met many of them when they went to Hillsborough Castle. We were always agog to hear about it when he got home - and I myself met the Queen and Philip when I was little. They were wonderful and I've always treasured the moment.

Our own experiences shape us, that much is true.

Ahhhh I think there's been a miscommunication; I (wrongly, my bad) assumed that you knew I was specifically talking about Rangers fans, and have just now realised that I said "Teddy Bear" not Rangers fan, so that's not actually clear.

Yes I'm talking about just sectarianism in Scotland as it related to the Old Firm, and well... yes... that's sort of just relevant to some very specific areas of Scotland. Obvious I know there's much more to sectarianism on the whole. The specific brand of sectarianism that's linked to Rangers FC is heavily intertwined with UK Loyalism and support for the Royal Family / anti-Scottish Republicanism.

Honestly anyone who was raised in or around Central Belt Scotland and is claiming that RFC isn't entangled with British Nationalism, protestant sectarianism and thus, the Royals ... ... ... ... ... well ... they're telling porkies.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

TBH, I'm not even sure of what I'm supposed to be convinced of?

The Rangers side of the Scottish "Old Firm" (Rangers/Celtic rivalry) is unquestionably and unfixably intertwined with British Nationalism (and thus Royalty) and sectarianism.

That's all really. It's barely a debate it's well established fact.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

British Nationalism (and thus Royalty) and sectarianism.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Can you explain what you mean by this?

In Scotland, largely, support of the monarchy goes hand-in-hand with being a Unionist and Independence hand-in-hand with rejecting the active monarchy. Technically, you could be a Unionist who wants to abolish the Monarchy, or pro-indy who wants to keep the monarchy active in both countries, but that's not usually the case. Rule of thumb is that Rangers/Protestant/Unionist/Royalty-supporting all goes hand in hand.

Some people will claim that the football fan base has nothing to do with sectarianism.

They're delusional or lying. No two ways about it. Just take a drive near Ibrox on a match day for "proof" (I don't recommend actually doing that, it's ****ing horrible).

Like I said, I'm sure not all Rangers fans are actively sectarian themselves. BUT they certainly don't care about the association with it or that their pals are. Willing to turn a blind eye.

To be clear I'm not even saying that the Celtic fan base is particularly better, sectarianism is a two-way street, but this thread is about Royalty tub-thumping and that only applies to Rangers.

[Beso]

That's the biggest pile of bull**** I've read I a while....

Dont tar the rest of scotland with your west coast bull****.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In Scotland, largely, support of the monarchy goes hand-in-hand with being a Unionist and Independence hand-in-hand with rejecting the active monarchy. Technically, you could be a Unionist who wants to abolish the Monarchy, or pro-indy who wants to keep the monarchy active in both countries, but that's not usually the case. Rule of thumb is that Rangers/Protestant/Unionist/Royalty-supporting all goes hand in hand.

Some people will claim that the football fan base has nothing to do with sectarianism.

They're delusional or lying. No two ways about it. Just take a drive near Ibrox on a match day for "proof" (I don't recommend actually doing that, it's ****ing horrible).

Like I said, I'm sure not all Rangers fans are actively sectarian themselves. BUT they certainly don't care about the association with it or that their pals are. Willing to turn a blind eye.

To be clear I'm not even saying that the Celtic fan base is particularly better, sectarianism is a two-way street, but this thread is about Royalty tub-thumping and that only applies to Rangers.

Well it all sounds daft to me. I suppose it would be too much to suggest that football fans could support the Monarchy for reasons other than just being Ranger supporters?