[Abra]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

How do you feel about the Genocide of Christians in Nigeria?

I dont believe you have mentioned it

All genocides are awful.

Your attempts at deflecting and trying to have a "gotcha" moment is not going to change the fact that Israel is currently committing a genocide in Palestine.

It's relevant in here because it's connected to the topic of this thread. Hope that helps clear things up for you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Abra

All genocides are awful.

Your attempts at deflecting and trying to have a "gotcha" moment is not going to change the fact that Israel is currently committing a genocide in Palestine.

It's relevant in here because it's connected to the topic of this thread. Hope that helps clear things up for you.

I'm afraid no it does not, it does illuminate something however..

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

I'm afraid no it does not, it does illuminate something however..

It doesn't help clear things up for you? Bless your heart

[arista]

New Update

6 People in total are arrested now

In connection with the Evil Dead killer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smU0Ek9iwYA

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Abra

It doesn't help clear things up for you? Bless your heart

Being patronising does not become you

[arista]

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

I would be checking out his cousins.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Being patronising does not become you

Neither does acting obtuse when your argument doesn't hold up

[Crimson Dynamo]

RTE at it again

they are vile


RTÉ News
@rtenews
One of the victims killed in yesterday's attack at a synagogue in Manchester
was shot by police during their attempts to bring the unarmed attacker under
control, officers have said

https://x.com/rtenews/status/1974059019158630659

thankfully they got Community noted

The attacker was not "unarmed", he was armed with a knife and a potentially explosive device.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Abra

Supporting the people of Palestine does not automatically mean you support Hamas.

Palestinian babies do not "hate our guts", but they are still being murdered, including being starved to death by Israel. The red flag is how many people are supportive of a genocide happening before our eyes, but thankfully those numbers are dwindling.

So then citizens in our countries who support Israel's general right to defend themselves don't automatically support genocide then? Because the whole premise of these protests fall flat on their face if we consider the logic of the first statement to be even remotely true.

We don't know what those abroad actually support or don't support, whether it's Israel citizens (Livia has the better idea) or Palestinian citizens. We barely know which way the pendulum swings in our respective countries with its issues and we enjoy some of the widest open access to both free media coverage and opinions coming from both the populace and across the world.

I guess we will see what these peace talks do and if statehood occurs, whether that resolves a problem. I'm skeptical it's going to be that easy and simple to resolve years of open hostility and continued strikes.

[bots]

people don't stop hating each other overnight. Do you think the ukranians would greet russians like long lost friends if a ceasefire were declared tomorrow.

These issues will take generations to fix and in the meantime they will be living next door to each other. ISIS hasn't gone away, Iran hasn't gone away. It's not the end of the conflict, not even close

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bots

people don't stop hating each other overnight. Do you think the ukranians would greet russians like long lost friends if a ceasefire were declared tomorrow.

These issues will take generations to fix and in the meantime they will be living next door to each other. ISIS hasn't gone away, Iran hasn't gone away. It's not the end of the conflict, not even close

British Jews aren't Israeli though. Continuously comparing British Jews to Russians fuels the fire. British Jews did not cross an international border in an act of war.

It would be nice to think hatred of Jews will take a couple if generations to fix.

[arista]

Update

4 are arrested (Home Secretary confirmed)

2 Dead


3 are in the Hospital

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Maru

So then citizens in our countries who support Israel's general right to defend themselves don't automatically support genocide then? Because the whole premise of these protests fall flat on their face if we consider the logic of the first statement to be even remotely true.

We don't know what those abroad actually support or don't support, whether it's Israel citizens (Livia has the better idea) or Palestinian citizens. We barely know which way the pendulum swings in our respective countries with its issues and we enjoy some of the widest open access to both free media coverage and opinions coming from both the populace and across the world.

I guess we will see what these peace talks do and if statehood occurs, whether that resolves a problem. I'm skeptical it's going to be that easy and simple to resolve years of open hostility and continued strikes.

Israel is not "defending itself" though, that excuse doesn't work anymore. Committing a genocide and murdering innocent babies is not defending yourself.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Two days after the Manchester synagogue terror attack, Islamists call for terror
laws to be abolished.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Abra

Israel is not "defending itself" though, that excuse doesn't work anymore. Committing a genocide and murdering innocent babies is not defending yourself.

Stop relying on Hamas and Yahoo for your news.

The synagogue that was attacked was in Britain.. The Jews were British. Do you believe every Muslim in the world is a terrorist? British Jews being attacked in support of Israel and supported by people like you shows how muddled your thinking is.

[Livia]

If you have pushed the jihadist lie since Oct 7, spare me crocodile tears today.

Opinion by Jake Wallis Simons

Nobody knows what was going through the mind of the man who slit the throats of two Jews in Manchester today and injured others.

If he were anything like the other terrorists who have wreaked havoc on our streets over the years, however, he likely carried out his crimes in the belief that he was one of the good guys.

From the Spanish Inquisition to the Holocaust, from the pogroms of Eastern Europe to the antisemitic murders and expulsions of the Middle East, the perpetrators are always convinced that they are doing God’s work, either literally or figuratively.

In this grim fact lies a lesson for us all. After two years of the most orchestrated and extensive pro-jihad propaganda operation the world has ever seen, huge numbers of people now see Israel as the bad guys and Hamas as the victims.

Who do I blame? The United Nations. The BBC and other insidious media outlets. The NGOs and international charities. The arts world. The celebrities. The social media bot farms. The universities and schools.

Everywhere, in fact, where the progressive ideology dominates. For decades, these elites have held the levers of power in our culture, cascading their fringe views on the heads of the rest of us.

In my new book, Never Again? How the West Betrayed the Jews and Itself, I describe these people as “centrist fundamentalists”. They are centrists because they view themselves as the grown-ups. And they are fundamentalists because anybody who disagrees with them is silenced with mockery and derision.

These people believe in doing down our patriotism, our history, our flag (though Labour has desperately changed its position on that recently), our traditions and our borders. Their attitude is one of “down with us and up with everyone else”.

The Jews have caught the brunt of this. Partly, it is because the Jews have not forgotten their identity, history, bonds and peoplehood, making them a living rebuke to the centrist fundamentalist. Partly, it is because the Jews are more ourselves than ourselves.

Either way, we have reached a point where our leaders more eagerly embrace those who would like to kill us than the people they are supposed to protect.

From immigration to Israel, the government invariably picks the wrong side. Our culture is committing slow suicide while self-righteously demanding that Israel commit it more quickly.

Well, Israel won’t. And nor will the Jews. But the effect of all this over the two years since October 7 is that the public has become convinced that Israel is a genocidal, apartheid, Nazi state, and Hamas are the courageous “resistance”.

You and I know that the opposite is true. Israel could have destroyed Gaza City with a single bomb, yet it sends its soldiers house-to-house at great risk to themselves. Why? Because it is not genocidal.

Israel could have starved every man, woman and child in Gaza to death within two weeks of October 7. Yet it continues to provide food to the Strip; in the last six weeks, it has provided 40 million meals. Why? Because it does not use famine as a weapon of war.

After the relentless propaganda campaign, however, instigated largely by the United Nations, most people will likely believe the very opposite of the truth. The Manchester killer almost certainly believed that, too.

What we are seeing is nothing less than the successful brainwashing of an entire society to embrace the agenda of the very jihadis who would have the West subverted and everybody who resists dead.

Keir Starmer, David Lammy and their cronies have spent the last two years directing all their condemnation at Israel, the democracy defending itself against jihad, and putting almost no pressure on Hamas, which started this war and would attack us all if it could.

That culminated in the recognition of a Palestinian state, which did not even require the release of the hostages as a condition.

In May, the UN humanitarian chief Tom Fletcher claimed on the BBC that “14,000 babies” would die within “48 hours” in Gaza. This claim was repeated by no fewer than 13 MPs in Parliament. When those babies did not die after all, how many of them apologised? Precious few.

Now these people have the gall to shed crocodile tears about the attack in Manchester today. They have long been part of the problem, making a whole society believe that black is white and the jihadis are the victims. Shame on them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Stop relying on Hamas and Yahoo for your news.

The synagogue that was attacked was in Britain.. The Jews were British. Do you believe every Muslim in the world is a terrorist? British Jews being attacked in support of Israel and supported by people like you shows how muddled your thinking is.

Can you imagine WW2 covered by the MSM nowadays

It would be filled with images of dead Germans, crying German children.
Reporters bemoaning the fact that many more Germans have been killed - its
not propotionate they cry. Features on the loss of jobs at extermination
camps. The BBC reporting Lord Haw-Haw stats everynight. Kids marching in
the streets end the German Genocide


etc etc

[Abra]

Originally Posted by Livia

Stop relying on Hamas and Yahoo for your news.

The synagogue that was attacked was in Britain.. The Jews were British. Do you believe every Muslim in the world is a terrorist? British Jews being attacked in support of Israel and supported by people like you shows how muddled your thinking is.

What on earth are you talking about?

The UN has declared that Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, so I'm not sure where you are getting this idea about "Hamas and Yahoo", but that is a very typical response from Israel supporters, try to deflect every time someone points out that Israel is currently committing a genocide. Nothing you say is going to change that fact as much as I wish it could.

I have already stated that it is awful that any British Jews are being harmed and this attack is an awful tragedy. However, in conversations about this it is inevitable that Israel's genocide is going to be brought up because it is intrinsically linked to the topic at hand. Not sure why you just invented this idea that I support any attacks on Jewish people considering I never said anything of the sort, but like I said, the mud-slinging and deflection every time someone speaks the truth about Israel just doesn't work anymore. The jig is up.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Can you imagine WW2 covered by the MSM nowadays

It would be filled with images of dead Germans, crying German children.
Reporters bemoaning the fact that many more Germans have been killed - its
not propotionate they cry. Features on the loss of jobs at extermination
camps. The BBC reporting Lord Haw-Haw stats everynight. Kids marching in
the streets end the German Genocide


etc etc

Thank God that generation of people didn't have the ****ing Internet where every knobhead in the world is given a platform, and what's worse, has a following.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Thank God that generation of people didn't have the ****ing Internet where every knobhead in the world is given a platform, and what's worse, has a following.

377,000 people follow Elsa

i mean can you just imagine that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The UN