[arista]

Schools call for ban on legal 'high' after two teen friends
die within hours of taking 'Meow, Meow' drug mephedrone.

"Conservatives promise review of legal 'Meow Meow' drug
Campaigner calls for new US-style ban on 'legal highs'
Police make three arrests in connection with deaths"







Controversial: Mephedrone can cause convulsions,
breathing problems and psychosis (file picture)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0iR9f4yrY


One Mother on a Phone In this morning
said her 13 year old takes it from school.

Schools can take it of Pupils for the Day
but staff have to return it as its Legal Substance.

"Mephedrone, also known as 'MC', '4MMC
' or 'Plant Fertiliser', is usually found in a
white/yellowish powder and snorted or taken as a pill.
It is cheap and widely available over the internet.
Imported originally from China, the synthetic drug
is believed to have entered the UK in 2008
and has swept through the club scene.
However, side effects include convulsions,
breathing problems, nose bleeds, depression,
psychosis and, in extreme cases, death."

Sign Of The Times.

[Stu]

They were also drunk as ducks and using Methadone. Most people seem to be forgetting this.

If I combined huge amounts of alcohol and methadone with another drug, I would probably be dead too. Rightly so.

These lads died of stupidity.

[LeatherTrumpet]

perhaps we should look at why both boys felt the need to take the drugs in the first place?

[Stu]

People like to get high. It's just a fact of life. Be it on booze or illicit drugs, chocolate or tea. A lot of people have the desire to alter their brain chemistry.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

They were also drunk as ducks and using Methadone. Most people seem to be forgetting this.

If I combined huge amounts of alcohol and methadone with another drug, I would probably be dead too. Rightly so.

These lads died of stupidity.

Yes they lacked Education on it.


But In Schools it should be made Illegal
and removed from Junkie Students.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

People like to get high. It's just a fact of life. Be it on booze or illicit drugs, chocolate or tea. A lot of people have the desire to alter their brain chemistry.

I get that but i dont see a lot of information going to children saying that you can get every bit as good a buzz from regular exercise as you can from some manky drug, for example.

Instead of banning we should be encouraging alternatives to the standard going out and getting ****faced.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I get that but i dont see a lot of information going to children saying that you can get every bit as good a buzz from regular exercise as you can from some manky drug, for example.

Instead of banning we should be encouraging alternatives to the standard going out and getting ****faced.

We do try and promote alternatives. Obviously not enough. But it's an exercise in futility anyway. As lovey dovey as it is to sprout it, reading a good book or taking a walk in the park wont get you the same buzz as doing drugs. Plenty of teenagers are cultured, fit and active and they still want to alter their brain chemistry at the weekends. It's a different, additional, sort of buzz.

The trouble comes when drugs are your only way of getting a buzz.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

We do try and promote alternatives. Obviously not enough. But it's an exercise in futility anyway. As lovey dovey as it is to sprout it, reading a good book or taking a walk in the park wont get you the same buzz as doing drugs. Plenty of teenagers are cultured, fit and active and they still want to alter their brain chemistry at the weekends. It's a different, additional, sort of buzz.

The trouble comes when drugs are your only way of getting a buzz.

Not so. You get an amazing buzz when you come back from a good hour of hardcore work in a gtym or a 20 mile bike ride. Its the same chemicals in your bonce as E activates.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not so. You get an amazing buzz when you come back from a good hour of hardcore work in a gtym or a 20 mile bike ride. Its the same chemicals in your bonce as E activates.

It's not the same high though. Not the same feeling. That's a fact. Chemical nuances aside they are completely different. I have tried my hand at gym work and have popped E's. The two are not even comparable. I don't see thousands of clubbers getting fucked up by doing some gym work before crossing the street to go to a rave.

It's like saying the high from THC and a bar of chocolate are simmilar because of simmilar brain mechanisms. Or the high from Crack is the same as the high from having a wank because they both flood your brain with endorphins and dopamine.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

It's not the same high though. Not the same feeling. That's a fact. Chemical nuances aside they are completely different. I have tried my hand at gym work and have popped E's. The two are not even comparable. I don't see thousands of clubbers getting fucked up by doing some gym work before crossing the street to go to a rave.

It's like saying the high from THC and a bar of chocolate are simmilar because of simmilar brain mechanisms. Or the high from Crack is the same as the high from having a wank because they both flood your brain with endorphins and dopamine.

If you add the fact that the gym does not give you a 2 day hangover, guilt, chance of a criminal record, memory problems and so forth then we have a slightly more attractive proposition.

Also you dont talk bollocks when you are on a treadmill or end up in a girls bed at 4 am telling her that you never really told your grandfather why you loved him.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you add the fact that the gym does not give you a 2 day hangover, guilt, chance of a criminal record, memory problems and so forth then we have a slightly more attractive proposition.

Also you dont talk bollocks when you are on a treadmill or end up in a girls bed at 4 am telling her that you never really told your grandfather why you loved him.

It's the risk you take, I suppose. People enjoy getting blind drunk but that carries with it the possibility of being a total and utter cock too, but damn it feels good.

To say that nobody should pop a pill or smoke weed because exercise gives you a comparable feeling though is farce. If that were the case gyms would be springing up faster than head shops.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

It's the risk you take, I suppose. People enjoy getting blind drunk but that carries with it the possibility of being a total and utter cock too, but damn it feels good.

To say that nobody should pop a pill or smoke weed because exercise gives you a comparable feeling though is farce. If that were the case gyms would be springing up faster than head shops.

I am not saying that I am saying that we should highlight why going to gym/exercise is as good of not better.

Exercise is the only drug that makes you feel amazing the next day.

There, I have written the tag line.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am not saying that I am saying that we should highlight why going to gym/exercise is as good of not better.

Exercise is the only drug that makes you feel amazing the next day.

There, I have written the tag line.

I would wager that I have had psychedelic experiences in my time that have left me with a spring in my step and an afterglow for weeks after the experience. As well as a fresh perspective, understanding and appreciation for life that will go with me to the crematorium.

[setanta]

We smoke, drink and take pills for the same reasons that we fight, eat too much or indulge in any one thing: we're inherently flawed; it's in our makeup to destroy ourselves quicky or gradually and wage battle against life in some way. Your drugs of choice are Jesus and big titted nuns LT.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by setanta

We smoke, drink and take pills for the same reasons that we fight, eat too much or indulge in any one thing: we're inherently flawed; it's in our makeup to destroy ourselves quicky or gradually and wage battle against life in some way. Your drugs of choice are Jesus and big titted nuns LT.

Remind me to cancel that Life-coaching session I had booked in with you.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Remind me to cancel that Life-coaching session I had booked in with you.

Can't see us holding hands and dancing to the Age of Aquarius together just yet either hun.

[arista]

"The drug mephedrone, also known as 4-MMC,
is legal in the UK and readily available on the internet.
Pressure is growing for it to be outlawed
after the deaths of two Scunthorpe teenagers. "




Made in China
Legal in the UK.



Not Good.

[Shasown]

A rabbit was hopping through the jungle when he came upon a giraffe rolling a joint. The rabbit said,"Giraffe, don't do drugs. Come, run with me through the jungle. You get the same high and it wont get you busted" The giraffe looked at the rabbit, then at the joint. He dropped the joint and ran off with the rabbit.

A couple of hours later they came upon an lion snorting cocaine. The rabbit said,"Hey Lion, don't do drugs. Come, run with us through the jungle . Its better for you gives you the same buzz and it wont land you in jail" The lion looked at his razor blade and mirror, tossed them away and began running with the rabbit and giraffe.

Several hours later the three animals then came across an elephant about to shoot up. The rabbit said, "Hey Mr Elephant, don't do drugs. That stuff can kill you or get you some serious jail time. Come, run with us through the jungle."

The elephant looked at the rabbit and then at the needle. He put down the needle and picked up the rabbit with his trunk started to beat the living crap out of the rabbit. Pounding him from side to side. After a few moments he hurls the rabbits lifeless body into the jungle. Horrified, the giraffe and lion said, "Hey elephant, you didnt have to do that to Mr Rabbit. He was only trying to help you. To keep you healthy and out of jail"

The elephant looking them both in the eye answered,
" This little fucker? Bollocks, he has me running around this fucking jungle for hours every time he's does ecstasy.

[setanta]

Not bad Shasown, not bad. lol.

[Scarlett.]

It should be banned if it can kill someone so easily

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

People like to get high. It's just a fact of life. Be it on booze or illicit drugs, chocolate or tea. A lot of people have the desire to alter their brain chemistry.

People taking any recreational drugs don't have any brain chemistry worth speaking about.......

[Ramsay]

So they mixed Alchohol and that drug?
how stupid

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

It should be banned if it can kill someone so easily

Yes Buying it is Legal.
Ban it so it can not be bought in your local shops.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by bananarama

People taking any recreational drugs don't have any brain chemistry worth speaking about.......

* Aaron Sorkin, creator of ''The West Wing".
* Art Garfunkel , singer, Simon and Garfunkel.
* Abbie Hoffman, Activist.
* Al and Tipper Gore Politicians
* Aleister Crowley, Author and Famous Satanist.
* Alexander Dumas, Author - "The Three Musketeers"
* Ali Campbell, Singer with UB40
* Alice B. Toklas. Famous Cook - Wrote recipe for Hash Fudge Filmed as. 'I Love You Alice B. Toklas'
* Allen Ginsberg, Poet.
* Andrea Corr, musician, "The Corrs".
* Anjelica Huston, Actress.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger. Actor. ....I did smoke a joint and I did inhale.''
* Art Garfunkel. Singer of, "Simon and Garfunkel" fame.
* Arthur Rimbaud.
* Balzac.
*Barrack Obama-President of the United States-he mentions his drug use in his book.
*Barry Manilow-Musician
* Beatles.
* Benjamin Franklin, Many claims but little proof.
* Bill "...but I didn't inhale." Clinton, Politician.
* Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in his Playboy interview.
* Bill Murray Arrested for possession.
* Bing Crosby. Famous crooner of "I'm dreaming of a White Christmas". Now the Film "High Society" makes sense!
* Bix Beiderbecke Jazz musician.
* Black Crowes, musicians
* Bob Denver, Star of "Gilligan's Island".
* Bobby Brown-Whitney Houston's husband-musican/singer
* Bob Dylan, musician.
* Bob Marley, musician
* Burt Reynolds, actor. He left his first wife because of her drug use. But he has been seen in Cannabis Cafes.
* Bruce Lee.
* Cab Calloway, Jazz musician. Claimed he only used it once.
* Carl Sagan, Scientist - SiFi writer - film "Contact" More info here.
* Carlos Santana musician.
* Carrie Fischer, Actress
* Charlie Sheen, actor.
* Charlize Theron, Actress. More here.
* Charles Beaudelaire, Author.
* Cheech Marin, Actor, Don Johnson's sidekick in the TV detective series "Nash Bridges."
* Chris Conrad, Author and expert on Cannabis Hemp
* Chris Farley. Comedian.
* Chrissie Hynde, musician.
* Chris Rock, Actor, Comedian, Producer, Screenwriter.
* Chubby Checker, Musician. Sang; "Lets Twist Again".
* Cilla Black, Musician and presenter. Tried it in the '60's but didn't like it.
* Claire Rayner, Agony Aunt.
* Cody Kasch Actor. TV series Desperate Housewives
* Conan O'Brian TV Host
* Count Basie, Jazz Ban Leader. He was on an DEA file of marajuana users.
* Dame Margot Fonteyn, Prima ballerina. Also see entries for Rudolf Nureyev.
* David Bailey, Photographer .
* Dan Quayle . Politician.
* David Hockney, Artist.
* Diego Rivera Mexican Artist
* Dion Fortune Welsh occultist.
* Dionne Warwick, Famous singer of "Walk on by".
* Dioscorides Pedanius, 1 st cent. AD. Greek physician. Wrote 'De Materia Medica', used for 1,500 years.
* Dizzy Gillespie, Jazz musician He was on an DEA file of marajuana users.
* Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
* Dr Lester Grinspoon.
* Dr R.D.Laing
* Dr W.B. O'Shaugnessy Re-introduced cannabis to European medicine.
* Drew Barrymore, actress.
* Duke Ellington, Jazz Band Leader. He was on an DEA file of marajuana users.
* Elliott Gould. Actor.
* Eminem, musician.
* Emperor Liu Chi-nu, made medical recomendation for its use.
* Emperor Shen-Nung, made first known medical recommendation for its use.
* Errol Flynn, Actor
* Evelyn Waugh. Author.
* Francis Ford Coppella, Film Director. Mentioned in "Easy Riders, Raging Bulls" by Peter Biskind
* Frances McDormand , Actress. Raising Arizona, Burning Mississippi, Fargo.
* Fats Waller, musician.
* Fitz Hugh Ludlow - wrote 'The Hasheesh Eater'.
* Francois Rabelais. 16 th French author. Recommended it as a food not a high.
* Friedrich Nietzsche, Used it as a medicine.
* Gary Johnson. Governor of New Mexico - Reformer.
* Gene Krupa, Jazz musician.
* George Gurdjieff , Russian Mystic.
* George W Bush Politician and professional hypocrite.
* George Melly, Jazz musician.
* George Soros, Financier and reformer.
* George Washington , grew it and there is evidence that he prepared it for smoking.
o And incidentally many other US presidents use to smoke Hemp. Thomas Jefferson.
o James Madison.
o James Monroe.
o Andrew Jackson,
o Zachary Taylor.
o Franklin Pierce.
o Also see entries for Bill Clinton and George Bush.
* Gerard de Nerval French writer
* Graham Greene, Author.
* Grateful Dead musicians.
* Harrison Ford, Actor. This is a claim made by Bill Maher that has not been denied.
* Hasan I-Sabah (Hasan-bin-Sabah) Leader of the Assassins.
* Heinrich Khunrath, Medieval Alchemist. and Philosopher.
* Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. Russian Theosophist.
* Henri Michaux poet and painter
* Howard Marks. Ex-smuggler and Raconteur.
* H R H Prince Harry, Third in line to the British throne.
* H R H Princess Margaret, sister to Her Majesty the Queen. Her son disputes the claim.
* Howard Stern, admitted it on the radio.
* Hua T'o Medical use as anaesthetic .
* Hunter S. Thompson, Author
* Isabel Allende, Chilean author. Mentioned in her book "Paula".
* Jack Kerouac, Author
* Jack Nicholson, actor.
* Jackie Gleason, actor. Another whom the DEA kept on their pot files.
* James Brown, musician
* Janis Joplin, musician. Tried it but "... she didn't like marijuana, it gave her the jitters."
* Jane Fonda, Actress.
* Jennifer Aniston, actress. "I enjoy smoking cannabis and see no harm in it", Daily Mail, 11/9/01.
* Jennifer Capriati, Tennis champ.
* Jesse Ventura, Governor of Minnesota.
* Jesus Christ. 'healed using cannabis'.
* Jim Morrison, musician.
* Jimmy Dorsey, Jazz musician, He was on an DEA file of marijuana users.
* Jimmy Hendrix, musician
* Joan of Arc, was accused of using witch herbs (another name cannabis).
* John Belushi, actor. Perhaps not a particularly good role model!
* John Denver, musician. He recorded a song about it.
* John F Kennedy. Politician.
* John Kerry . Politician. US Senator and Presidential candidate. Also see
* John Lennon. musician.
* John Le Mesurier. Actor. Tried it but said it's not for him.
* John Wayne, Actor, "I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me."
* Jonathan Miller, Theatre Director.
* Johnny Cash, musician. Sang songs for NORML album.
* Jon Snow, Channel 4 News presenter. (UK)
* Julia Roberts, Actress, "I smoked dope twice," ..." It made me too sleepy..."
* Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, legendary Los Angeles Lakers Basketball star
* Kary Mullis, Nobel Laurate, Biology. Is on NORML Board of directors.
* Ken Kesey, Author of "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" (1975)
* Kenneth Tynan, Playwright.
* Kurt Cobain, musician.
* Larry Hagman, actor, of "JR" fame.
* Led Zeppelin, musicians.
* Lenny Bruce, Comedian.
* Lewis Carroll, Author
* Lewis Wolpert, biologist.
* Little Richard, musician.
* Louis Armstrong, Jazz musician. The 'bust' in his own words.
* Luke Perry, actor.
* Louis Hebert, French Botanist
* Macaulay Culkin. Actor, Home Alone.
* Mark Stepnoski. two-time Super Bowl champ, Dallas Cowboy.
* Mick Jagger, musician
* Mike Bloomberg. New York City Mayor.
* Mike Tyson, Boxer.
* Miles Davis, Jazz musician.
* Milton Berle, Actor another one on the DEA list of smokers
* Mo Mowlam, Minister recently in charge of UK drug policy.
* Modigliani. Sculptor.
* Montel Williams Chat show host.
* Montgomery Clift, actor, mentioned in his biography.
* Neil Diamond, musician.
* Neil Young, Musician.
* Newt Gingrich Speaker of the US Senate.
* Norman Mailer, Author.
* Oasis, Noel Gallagher "smoking cannabis is as normal as having a cup of tea"
* Ocean Colour Scene, "the hardest smoking band in music" Q Magazine. 02/02.
* Oliver Stone, Film Director.
* Oscar Wilde, Author. "Bosie and I have taken to hashish,"
* Pablo Picasso, Artist.
* Pancho Villa, Revolutionary Leader.
* Peregrine Worthstone, former editor of the Sunday Telegraph.
* Peter Fonda, actor. "I don't trust anybody who didn't inhale."
* Peter Sellers, actor.
* Peter Tosh, Poet.
* Pierre Elliot Trudeau, Former Prime Minister of Canada.
* Pink. Musician. Mentioned in Playboy interview (11/02).
* Pink Floyd, Musicians.
* P. J. O'Rouke. Author.
* Pythagoras, Mathematician.
* Queen Victoria.
* Ram Dass, Philosopher.
* Ray Charles, musician.
* Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist.
* Richard Pryor, actor.
* Robert Anton Wilson. Philosopher .
* Robert Mitchum, Actor, was jailed in the 40s for possession of marijuana.
* Rolling Stones, musicians.
* Rosie Boycott, former Editor of the Daily Express and The Independent.
* Ross Rebagliati, first ever snowboarding Gold Medallist, 1998 Winter Olympics.
* Rudolf Nureyev, Ballet dancer. Also see entry for Margot Fonteyn.
* Rudyard Kipling . Author.
* Ryan Farrell, Australian Sprint Car champion.
* Salvador Dali, Artist.
* Samuel Beckett, Author.
* Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Author.
* Sidi-Hidi. Sacred religious figure of Morocco, believed to have brought cannabis to the Atlas.
* Sinead O'Connor, musician.
* Sir Paul McCartney, Musician.
* Sir Mick Jagger, Musician. Of whom it was written; "Who breaks a butterfly on a wheel".
* Snoop Dogg, musician.
* Steve Martin , Actor.
* Stephen King. Author, "Tommy Knockers".
* Steve Jobs, co-creator of the Apple computer.
* Steven Soderbergh, Film director.
* Stephen Sondheim. Broadway composer and lyricist.
* Sting / Gordon Sumners, musician.
* Ted Turner, of CNN fame. This is a claim made by Bill Maher that has not been denied
* Terence McKenna.
* Terry Pratchett. Author of the "Diskworld" books. A bit of a cheeky claim perhaps, in that he did not object to being given a "cake".
* The Who, musicians.
* Thelonious Monk, Jazz musician.
* Timothy Leary
* Tomas Enge, Formula 3000 World Champion.
* Tommy Chong. Actor with Cheech Marin in "Up in Smoke " - "Cheech & Chong".
* Tommy Lee, Musician.
* Tony Booth, the father-in-law of Britain's Prime Minister. Smoked it in
* UB40, Band.
* Victor Hugo. Author 'Les Misérables'
* Walter 'Stumpy' Brennan actor.
* Walter Benjamin, Philosopher.
* Wesley Snipes, actor. Has been seen in Cannabis Cafes.
* Whitney Houston, singer/actor
* William Butler Yeats. Famous Irish Poet and Occultist.
* William S. Burroughs, Author.
* William Shakespeare. Dramatist. More here.
* Willie Nelson, musician.
* Woody Harrelson, Actor and reformer.
* Zoroaster, Persian prophet.

Really? How about we have Bananarama demonstrate her brain chemistry by actually eloquently defending a view point for once? Your assumptions are hackneyed and riddiculous. People are not automatically silly or lesser than you because they choose to get high or get drunk.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Buying it is Legal.
Ban it so it can not be bought in your local shops.

It probably will be banned along with a few other legal highs in the UK at the end of this month, the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs will be reporting on it and a few others by the 29th March 2010.

However banning it wont remove the problem, the people who manufacture and sell these sorts of drugs will either continue selling it as plant food in bulk and the user then breaks it down into doses themselves. Or replace it with another legal substance . As one synthetic high is outlawed another is engineered to take its place.

There is also a problem in the fact if it is banned and it turns out after sufficient research to be not as dangerous as those advocating a ban on it claim, you would have criminalised youngsters for possession of it unnecessarily. Not all deaths initially linked to the drug have in fact turned out to be caused by it.