[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...uncovered.html


This was Reported on all News and Radio.

By using Drone Bomb planes in Pakistan
they think they have stopped it.

But the Sleepers are still ready for the next time.


Hitting these 3 Nations at the same time would
be another War starting.


The Sooner we get out of Iraq & the Afghan area,
the better.


Life In The City.

[Angus]

Well the Government have announced they are going to start withdrawing the troops in summer 2011- let's see if that happens, but meanwhile how many more soldiers are going to die before then?

[_Seth]

I'm scared.

But what the **** is Afgans problem with us?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Phlip

I'm scared.

But what the **** is Afgans problem with us?

While our Troops are Invading those places
we are under more attack.


The London 2005 Tube/Bus Killers
did that over Iraq.
The Leader Khan was a normal supply teacher, by day.

[arista]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well the Government have announced they are going to start withdrawing the troops in summer 2011- let's see if that happens, but meanwhile how many more soldiers are going to die before then?

Yes and we can be attacked
if they get another Plan for these Sleepers
waiting and looking normal.


New Labour got us into this mess,
because Corrupt Blair told Un Truths.
He should be in Court.

[Omen]

Funny they can stop these bombers with drones and not passport control. Somehow I can't see 20 odd terrorist strolling around London with armalites. How the hell would they manage that?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

While our Troops are Invading those places
we are under more attack.


The London 2005 Tube/Bus Killers
did that over Iraq.
The Leader Khan was a normal supply teacher, by day.

Tony Blair and the Labour Government committed us to an illegal war by lying to us about the WMD and ever since then we have been at the top of the terrorists' hit list.

[arista]

Yes the American Drone
missile strikes against militants in Pakistan from unmanned drones.

Got Lucky
they think.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omen

Funny they can stop these bombers with drones and not passport control. Somehow I can't see 20 odd terrorist strolling around London with armalites. How the hell would they manage that?

" passport control"

But many are Born here
so its not that simple Omen.

[Omen]

Originally Posted by arista

" passport control"

But many are Born here
so its not that simple Omen.

Well if they are homegrown then the drones obviously didn't get them. Wrt the war, only the Lib Dems opposed it, so the Conservatives are as culpable as the rest.

[arista]

Omen
Corrupt Blair Tricked everyone.

So Only Labour is at Fault.

Get Real will you.

[Omen]

Originally Posted by arista

Omen
Corrupt Blair Tricked everyone.

So Only Labour is at Fault.

Get Real will you.

He didn't fool te Lib Dems, and really I don't think he fooled anybody, icluding the Conservatives.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

Omen
Corrupt Blair Tricked everyone.

So Only Labour is at Fault.

Get Real will you.

Labour and their supporters are good at spreading the blame around - they will never take full responsibility for the damage they have done to this country, in particular to our national security. We went to war because of the breathtaking lies told by Blair and the LABOUR party, who deliberately concealed pertinent facts from the other parties, and created scaremongering on a scale never before seen, in order to get backing for the illegal war Blair was anxious to wage to toady to his master, Bush.

Look at Blair, still arrogantly strutting around, flogging his tawdry book, and making millions from his after dinner talks - he's about the most corrupt and morally bankrupt prime minister we have ever had, piously sending other people's sons to war, whilst cossetting his own, and he has never shown the slightest remorse or shame for what he has done. Furthermore, he foisted an unelected sidekick onto this country, without so much as a by your leave to the electorate, and an incompetent one at that.

[Omen]

Why didn't the Conservatives oppose the war like the Lib Dems did? Everybody knew the reason for invasion was spurious.

I thought The Special Relationship on BBC the other week showed some insight into Blair's thinking, (if realistic), and although Blair did bend the truth out of shape altogether to persuade parliament and sell the war, I think he thought he was doing the right thing.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Omen

Why didn't the Conservatives oppose the war like the Lib Dems did? Everybody knew the reason for invasion was spurious.

I thought The Special Relationship on BBC the other week showed some insight into Blair's thinking, (if realistic), and although Blair did bend the truth out of shape altogether to persuade parliament and sell the war, I think he thought he was doing the right thing.

How can you argue that everyone knew the reason was spurious then in the next paragraph state " although Blair did bend the truth .... to persuade parliament and sell the war"? Make up your mind!

Blair had already decided to go to war, if it went to a free vote on MP's consciences and it was a close decision imagine the message that would have sent to the troops on the ground, the people that do the actual bleeding and dying.

[BB_Eye]

Labour deceived and manipulated the nation in going to war. They are solely culpable for that.

However, whatever the Conservatives may have agreed to in 2003, they still supported an illegal, pre-emptive war so they are hardly innocent in all of this.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Omen

Why didn't the Conservatives oppose the war like the Lib Dems did? Everybody knew the reason for invasion was spurious.

I thought The Special Relationship on BBC the other week showed some insight into Blair's thinking, (if realistic), and although Blair did bend the truth out of shape altogether to persuade parliament and sell the war, I think he thought he was doing the right thing.

So now it's the fault of those who DIDN'T lie and deceive Parliament and the electorate, anyone it seems other than the elected Government of the day! How were the conservatives or anyone else expected to make informed and well judged decisions based on a pack of lies?

And according to you the justification apparently for Blair lying to Parliament and the country was that "he probably thought he was doing the right thing"?!! If that is true, then he stepped way out of line by taking it upon himself to deceive us all. That was not in his remit or authority - we live in a democracy not a dictatorship. Blair's massive ego caused us to be rocketed right to the top of the terrorist hitlist, and this unrepentant war criminal has gone unpunished.

[Omen]

I never said it was the justification. And why if the Lib Dems could oppose it the Conservatives couldn't. Their hands are dirty too.

[arista]

"At least 20 Britons are undergoing terrorist training in Pakistan to launch Mumbai-style shootings and suicide attacks in Britain, intelligence sources have told The Daily Telegraph. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-attacks.html

Kill Em
before they Kill us.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Omen

I never said it was the justification. And why if the Lib Dems could oppose it the Conservatives couldn't. Their hands are dirty too.

Well if you can't appreciate the significance of the fact that the Labour Government took us into a war with the "consent" of the opposition because said opposition had been deceived by a pack of lies about the imminent threat of attack from Iraq, then I can't really be bothered to keep repeating it.

As for the Lib Dems, it is hardly impressive or reassuring, in the context of the situation at that time, that they opposed a course of action being proposed to safeguard the West from attack, since their opposition was not based on any disbelief of Blair, but purely on the party line.

[Omen]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well if you can't appreciate the significance of the fact that the Labour Government took us into a war with the "consent" of the opposition because said opposition had been deceived by a pack of lies about the imminent threat of attack from Iraq, then I can't really be bothered to keep repeating it.

As for the Lib Dems, it is hardly impressive or reassuring, in the context of the situation at that time, that they opposed a course of action being proposed to safeguard the West from attack, since their opposition was not based on any disbelief of Blair, but purely on the party line.

Sorry to be blunt, but that's total rubbish.

[Omen]

People like me and millions of others, Hans Blix and the UN all knew the war was spurious, and the Lib Dems too. So why not the Conservatives?

I had hoped the election before last would have been a referendum on the war and Labour lost, but it wasn't. I guess the war wasn't that big an issue.

[ElProximo]

The same kind of terrorists put together the first attempt to topple the WTC in New York when Bill Clinton was appeasing the Muslim world. Keep in mind the US military was used to fight AGAINST anti-Muslim forces in ex-yugoslavia.
Anyways,
People then might remember that 9/11 was a complete and scheduled plan BEFORE George Bush Jr was elected. Keep in mind their was a 'hair' difference and Al Gore would have been President there.

Since Obama was elected and pretty much one of his main #1 objectives was to get out of Iraq (and Afghanistan eventually) the same terrorist types got off a horrific shooting spree murderfest on US soldiers.

Canada wasn't even officially in the Iraq war or the alliance and thwarted what would have been a massive devastating 'mumbai style' /911 including assassinating the PM.

Now the only thing being in Iraq seemed to have accomplished was giving them something to blow up and shoot at in their own 'backyard',
and,
the ability to more easily do things like drone-strike them if and when we catch onto the planning phases.

But yeah.. once everyone leaves Iraq they will just keep doing these. The UK is important to hit (in their minds) and here is why:
- When you terror attack the UK the people become frightened and agree to concessions and increase 'tolerance' immediately to appease.
So this proves Allah is on their side.
This proves the Brits are weak and Muslims are strong (so proves Allah is with them), and of course they should continue.

But yeah, here we go again. Whenever I see these things I cringe thinking how close they got and how it seems like.. eventually... they will get one of these done

[Shasown]

Security Service(MI5) need to be on the ball 100% all of the time. Terrorists only need to get lucky once.

Interesting point to note is that last time there was talks of government departments coming under large budget cuts, stories were circulated about 200-300 trained terrorists already acting in sleeper roles in the UK.

No coincidence the fact that government departments are once again facing budgets cuts and somene high in the intelligence community mentions 'ongoing surveillances operations' to the press.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Omen

Sorry to be blunt, but that's total rubbish.

Still missing the point completely I see! Ah well since your opinion is totally flawed and without any discernible merit, it is pretty much meaningless in terms of this debate since dismissing others' views as "rubbish" has always been the ploy of those without a valid argument. There's none so blind as those who refuse to see.