[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

Some people don't think she can sing though, In my opinion she is the worst one there after Wagner.

But she can sing. You might not like her style or tone of singing, or her vocal range - but she can sing. You have to look at it objectively. I didn't like John Adeleye [mainly because he was dull], but when looking at it objectively, he had a strong voice. Whether someone can sing or not is not an opinion - whether you like it or not is, but whether they can or not isn't.

I fail to understand how anyone could suggest she can't sing after watching the video Novo just posted...

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

in your opinion Jack, we're all allowed to have them

I know - but there's a subjective opinion and then there's an objective opinion. With singing, you have to look at it objectively.

[stewart64]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

She sang ok that time, she is usually rubbish, hardly something to be jumping for joy about.

When she does her first album (no longer a case of if) she will do what she is best at...slow and soulful. I love her voice and though we have jokes about the Great One being grating that certainly doesn't apply to her voice. It is very easy and smooth. Grating is Treyc trying to belt it out.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

She sang ok that time, she is usually rubbish, hardly something to be jumping for joy about.

She couldn't sing a minute ago and now she can sing OK

make your mind up

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Novo

She couldn't sing a minute ago and now she can sing OK

make your mind up

well, if you read my previous post (which I'm sure you did as you quoted it) you will have read me saying "I will rephrase that"

and I said she sang OK that one time.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But she can sing. You might not like her style or tone of singing, or her vocal range - but she can sing. You have to look at it objectively. I didn't like John Adeleye [mainly because he was dull], but when looking at it objectively, he had a strong voice. Whether someone can sing or not is not an opinion - whether you like it or not is, but whether they can or not isn't.

I fail to understand how anyone could suggest she can't sing after watching the video Novo just posted...



I know - but there's a subjective opinion and then there's an objective opinion. With singing, you have to look at it objectively.

Everyone can sing, it doesn't mean they are good at it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But she can sing. You might not like her style or tone of singing, or her vocal range - but she can sing. You have to look at it objectively. I didn't like John Adeleye [mainly because he was dull], but when looking at it objectively, he had a strong voice. Whether someone can sing or not is not an opinion - whether you like it or not is, but whether they can or not isn't.

I fail to understand how anyone could suggest she can't sing after watching the video Novo just posted...



I know - but there's a subjective opinion and then there's an objective opinion. With singing, you have to look at it objectively.

I don't like her voice Jack and I don't think many people do.

[Captain.Remy]

That might happen because as for now, people are hating on her but she'll get more popular due to the "sympathy" thing after the hate. That happens a lot in reality-TV. Watch out for her.

[Novo]

Jay Z is interested in her and Cher now as well

Jay-Z is reportedly hoping to sign up Cher Lloyd and Katie Waissel to his record label after The X Factor finishes.

According to the Daily Star, both girls have impressed the US hip-hop star with their performances and he is considering offering them contracts with his European Takeover Roc Nation label if they fail to win the show.

Tinchy Stryder revealed the interest in the pair, commenting: "Cher is a real target for Jay-Z because she's proved she can sing really well, rap - and she's got great stage presence. After Cher there's an interest in Katie too. She's quirky and no-one can argue that she doesn't bring in the headlines.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Novo

If she can't sing then what is she doing here?..

Youtube video

It's not really an Opinion that you think she can't sing when she is obviously singing.. what else do you think she is doing?

the only reason katie is there is because bastard cowell keeps saving her.

and shes got an average voice even in the sing off she was average.

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by Novo

Jay Z is interested in her and Cher now as well

Jay-Z is reportedly hoping to sign up Cher Lloyd and Katie Waissel to his record label after The X Factor finishes.

According to the Daily Star, both girls have impressed the US hip-hop star with their performances and he is considering offering them contracts with his European Takeover Roc Nation label if they fail to win the show.

Tinchy Stryder revealed the interest in the pair, commenting: "Cher is a real target for Jay-Z because she's proved she can sing really well, rap - and she's got great stage presence. After Cher there's an interest in Katie too. She's quirky and no-one can argue that she doesn't bring in the headlines.

Good luck with that, jay z is crap now anyway

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Novo

Jay Z is interested in her and Cher now as well

Jay-Z is reportedly hoping to sign up Cher Lloyd and Katie Waissel to his record label after The X Factor finishes.

According to the Daily Star, both girls have impressed the US hip-hop star with their performances and he is considering offering them contracts with his European Takeover Roc Nation label if they fail to win the show.

Tinchy Stryder revealed the interest in the pair, commenting: "Cher is a real target for Jay-Z because she's proved she can sing really well, rap - and she's got great stage presence. After Cher there's an interest in Katie too. She's quirky and no-one can argue that she doesn't bring in the headlines.

So?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

Everyone can sing, it doesn't mean they are good at it.

Okay, let me rephrase it. Singing well is not a matter of opinion - well, subjective opinion that is.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I don't like her voice Jack and I don't think many people do.

...and there we go - that's the subjective opinion. The objective opinion is that she can sing well, but the your subjective opinion is that you don't like her voice [or her style of singing], but the objective opinion is that she can sing well.

[Jords]

Katie can sing, just because you dont like somebody doesnt mean you cant admit they can sing...

I hated Aiden's voice but knew he could sing, well, sometime [Mad World].

[stewart64]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

That might happen because as for now, people are hating on her but she'll get more popular due to the "sympathy" thing after the hate. That happens a lot in reality-TV. Watch out for her.

If ,as widely reported, she got one third of the Treyc vote two weeks ago and therefore possibly as little as a quarter of the Aiden vote; then her star is rising. Either she quadrupled her vote or (very unlikely) Aiden's collapsed.

The Great One has momentum, if this forum is anything to go by she is gaining sympathy still. This is a great epic of a dead woman walking to the gallows four times and a howling mob of blockheads calling for her head. I think some of us are alive to the possibility of a wonderful turn around.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jords

Katie can sing, just because you dont like somebody doesnt mean you cant admit they can sing...

I hated Aiden's voice but knew he could sing, well, sometime [Mad World].

It's just a case of some people believing that their subjective judgement is the correct one, when in actual fact whether someone can sing or not has to be looked at objectively.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Okay, let me rephrase it. Singing well is not a matter of opinion - well, subjective opinion that is.



...and there we go - that's the subjective opinion. The objective opinion is that she can sing well, but the your subjective opinion is that you don't like her voice [or her style of singing], but the objective opinion is that she can sing well.

Jack stop being so patronizing please. Most people think she cannot sing well, I trust my ears and am sticking with she can't sing very well.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jords

Katie can sing, just because you dont like somebody doesnt mean you cant admit they can sing...I hated Aiden's voice but knew he could sing, well, sometime [Mad World].

That's not the case here though, I don't dislike Katie I just don't think she sings well.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

Good luck with that, jay z is crap now anyway

Such a laughable statement.. 9 #1 Albums.. if anyone knows how to turn people into superstars it's him

[nanaimo]

she can't sing and to be a good singer you need to remember your lyrics which doesn't seem to be able to manage

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by Novo

Such a laughable statement.. 9 #1 Albums.. if anyone knows how to turn people into superstars it's him

laugh away, i have a good few jay z cds but his new stuff is rubbish

BB Katie

[stewart64]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

she can't song and to be a good singer you need to remember your lyrics which doesn't seem to be able to manage

Wont matter when she is in the recording studio, she can have as many goes as she likes. I will be first in the queue for her first of many platinum efforts.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by nanaimo

laugh away, i have a good few jay z cds but his new stuff is rubbish

BB Katie

His newer stuff like Empire State of Mind and Run this town?.... I am still laughing at you

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by stewart64

Wont matter when she is in the recording studio, she can have as many goes as she likes. I will be first in the queue for her first of many platinum efforts.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Jack stop being so patronizing please. Most people think she cannot sing well, I trust my ears and am sticking with she can't sing very well.

I'm not being 'patronising'. I'm simply stating that there is such thing as a subjective and objective opinion. This does actually exist...

subjective; taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias; "a subjective judgment"

objective; undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena; "an objective appraisal"; "objective evidence"

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_th...ective_opinion

In this case your subjective judgement is that you don't like her style and tone of singing, or her personality, but the objective evidence is that she can sing well, you just don't like her style/tone [which is your subjective opinion]. You can either sing well or you can't - to determine that it has to be looked at objectively, not subjectively.

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by Novo

His newer stuff like Empire State of Mind and Run this town?.... I am still laughing at you

Glad i have made you laugh, too much sorrow and hate in the world