[Pyramid*]

I'll be looking forward to watching this and seeing for myself what the camera shows - and if it's anything close to what's reported in the newspaper - I want to see the police and the authorities tackle this - but I guess I'll be waiting a long time.

I wonder how many of these teachers / instructors will actually be prosecuted - on various levels, physical abuse, indoctrination, teaching complete intolerance to other religions,faiths, cultures, and feeding bigotry at it's very worst. I'm all for live and let live, but most certainly not when this is the type of tuition being given to young British citizens, for that it what these children will be.

When the hell are our government actually going to do something productive instead of pandering to this type of nonsense.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-schools.html

In just two days of filming in December 2010, the camera recorded the teacher hitting children as young as six or seven at least ten times, in less than three hours of lessons.

I recall years ago, a father (a teacher ) in Scotland who smacked his little girl across the back of the legs in a dentists for her unruly behaviour: being prosecuted - to the point that he lost his job, and I think his house too eventually. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/347853.stm

Yet here we appear to have photographic evidence of much worse punishment - are our Authorities happy to let this go without prosecution?

And we came across pupils being told that the ‘disbelievers’ are ‘the worst creatures’ and that Muslims who adopt supposedly non-Muslim ways, such as shaving, dancing, listening to music and – in the case of women – removing their headscarves, would be tortured with a forked iron rod in the afterlife.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'll be looking forward to watching this and seeing for myself what the camera shows - and if it's anything close to what's reported in the newspaper - I want to see the police and the authorities tackle this - but I guess I'll be waiting a long time.

I wonder how many of these teachers / instructors will actually be prosecuted - on various levels, physical abuse, indoctrination, teaching complete intolerance to other religions,faiths, cultures, and feeding bigotry at it's very worst. I'm all for live and let live, but most certainly not when this is the type of tuition being given to young British citizens, for that it what these children will be.

When the hell are our government actually going to do something productive instead of pandering to this type of nonsense.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-schools.html



I recall years ago, a father (a teacher ) in Scotland who smacked his little girl across the back of the legs in a dentists for her unruly behaviour: being prosecuted - to the point that he lost his job, and I think his house too eventually. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/347853.stm

Yet here we appear to have photographic evidence of much worse punishment - are our Authorities happy to let this go without prosecution?

Yes, if the liberal bigots have their way. No doubt they will tell us we have no right to interfere with another's culture and practices, irrespective of the fact that they are being perpetrated on UK soil. So only non muslim kids are entitled to protection from brutality and sinister brainwashing techniques of the type usually used to recruit cult members, eh? I can understand why these methods are used by the fanatics, since anyone in their own right mind not being coerced or threatened, would reject such hate filled and baseless propaganda, especially against the host nation.

[arista]

Yes Ch4 8PM tomorrow
Great Docu' team.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yes, if the liberal bigots have their way. No doubt they will tell us we have no right to interfere with another's culture and practices, irrespective of the fact that they are being perpetrated on UK soil. So only non muslim kids are entitled to protection from brutality and sinister brainwashing techniques of the type usually used to recruit cult members, eh? I can understand why these methods are used by the fanatics, since anyone in their own right mind not being coerced or threatened, would reject such hate filled and baseless propaganda, especially against the host nation.

The Scottish teacher was actually jailed. I wonder if those involved in the goings on in this documentary will also be prosecuted and jailed.

I won't hold my breath.

And our government wonders why there is growing unrest for (particularly in this case) Muslims who chose to settle here - the (the Gov) give ris to that unrest and will continue to provoke and promote it until the laws of this land, this British land, are metted out fairly - regardless of race, creed, religion.

The other twist is that 'these type of fanatical Muslims' promoting Islam in such an terrible way, creates the most awful bad feeling towards the Muslim communities overall - and very unfairly. Until this type of thing is stamped out - without all the politically correct bull$hit - all it will do is damage relations.

Given the density of the Muslim population in the UK, those who say they follow Islam but to a peaceful level, without this incitement of hatred - If they really were so determined to distance themselves from this type of fanatical & bigoted brainwashing: the question has to be asked - why are they not up in arms about this type of thing. Why are they not rounding up in numbers to show their own solidarity in ostracising these fanatics?

Could it be that they are not as accepting of Western ways/cultures as they would like to think they are? It's certainly a possibility. Given the link to terrorism - It does make me wonder why this isn't happening.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*;4110890


Given the density of the Muslim population in the UK, those who say they follow Islam but to a peaceful level, without this incitement of hatred - If they really were so determined to distance themselves from this type of fanatical & bigoted brainwashing: the question has to be asked -[B

why are they not up in arms about this type of thing. Why are they not rounding up in numbers to show their own solidarity in ostracising these fanatics?

Could it be that they are not as accepting of Western ways/cultures as they would like to think they are? It's certainly a possibility. Given the link to terrorism - It does make me wonder why this isn't happening.

[/B]Yes, it's amazing isn't it? I'm beginning to think their deafening silence and lack of action is more indicative of a tacit approval of the fanatics' methods. If there is increased resentment and suspicion of muslims from the general population it's hardly surprising is it? And by "general population" I am not just referring to white, christian Britons, but to a fair few other ethnicities who are equally fed up with what they see as special treatment of muslims.

We all know how well a policy of appeasement went down 70 odd years ago! Acceptance of barbaric and medieval practices is NOT tolerance, it is wilful and dangerous neglect of a growing threat in our country. If "moderate" muslims don't want to be tarred with the same brush, they need to start being a hell of a lot more vociferous in their renouncement of violence.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

[/B]Yes, it's amazing isn't it? I'm beginning to think their deafening silence and lack of action is more indicative of a tacit approval of the fanatics' methods. If there is increased resentment and suspicion of muslims from the general population it's hardly surprising is it? And by "general population" I am not just referring to white, christian Britons, but to a fair few other ethnicities who are equally fed up with what they see as special treatment of muslims.

We all know how well a policy of appeasement went down 70 odd years ago! Acceptance of barbaric and medieval practices is NOT tolerance, it is wilful and dangerous neglect of a growing threat in our country. If "moderate" muslims don't want to be tarred with the same brush, they need to start being a hell of a lot more vociferous in their renouncement of violence.

I agree.

[BB_Eye]

Looking forward to seeing this. It's good that they don't feel intimidated to show this, despite the threat of serial libel litigants like the Islamic Human Rights Commission and the Musllim Council of Britain (who, surprise surprise, accused the Undercover Mosque episode of 'racism') running to the police again.

[InOne]

Can't believe C4 actually had to apologize for 'Undercover Mosque'. It was ridiculous :/. Not their fault if they show the truth and people can't handle it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Can't believe C4 actually had to apologize for 'Undercover Mosque'. It was ridiculous :/. Not their fault if they show the truth and people can't handle it.

WTF??

I truly despair of the spineless country that we have become, and of the cowardly and hypocritica arseholes that run it - to the point where such abuse and hatred is allowed to breed, and we have to apologise for bringing it to the publics attention.

Un-*****ing believable.

[InOne]

I can't remember if they had to say sorry for the first or second one, but was definitely one of them.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

I can't remember if they had to say sorry for the first or second one, but was definitely one of them.

Either way, having just saw the clip that Arista linked to on your thread...... disgust doesn't come close to describing how I feel - never mind anger.

The Government either needs to step up a gear, grow some balls and deal with this $hit, or just declare us to be a Muslim state.....and be done with it, that's the way it seems to be going.

[MTVN]

How about we watch the documentary and see the response to it before leaping to the conclusion that the authorities will do nothing.

A full investigation was launched after Undercover Mosque immediately after it was shown. As it happened, when looked at in the full context of things, they didnt have enough evidence to charge anyone but they did at least look into it.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

WTF??

I truly despair of the spineless country that we have become, and of the cowardly and hypocritica arseholes that run it - to the point where such abuse and hatred is allowed to breed, and we have to apologise for bringing it to the publics attention.

Un-*****ing believable.

This is why the world laughs at England/UK. We are seen as pathetic, weak and a pushover, which in fairness, we are.

I think England has had it's day, we've let things slide too far to recover the strength we once had.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How about we watch the documentary and see the response to it before leaping to the conclusion that the authorities will do nothing.

A full investigation was launched after Undercover Mosque immediately after it was shown. As it happened, when looked at in the full context of things, they didnt have enough evidence to charge anyone but they did at least look into it.

by your own admission, and affirmation here MTVN - no one needs to jump to conclusions........ see the bit I have highlighted.

This is the UK. The laws of this land dictate that hitting a child is illegal. That means slapping about head, punching legs, kicking legs, grabbing child and slapping them are all illegal acts - all of which were recorded on camera. The Laws of this land are for all those who chose to stay here.

If they want to stay in the UK, they abide by the rules of the UK. If they break those rules, they should be treated exactly the same as non Muslims (ie: the general traditional British public)

What further evidence precisely would you suggest is required for the person responsible to be prosecuted? Wait till some child is punched hard enough that they fall, knocking their head and causing a fatal injury?

Christ, that's like saying, "Yep, we saw the video of the older man raping the child", not enough evidence but hey, we at least looked into it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

This is why the world laughs at England/UK. We are seen as pathetic, weak and a pushover, which in fairness, we are.

I think England has had it's day, we've let things slide too far to recover the strength we once had.

The past Australian P.M. had the right idea.... "this is our land, our country, with rules that we ask you abide by, like any other citizen, If you don't like it...you know where the border is, feel free to leave at any time" owtte.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

by your own admission, and affirmation here MTVN - no one needs to jump to conclusions........ see the bit I have highlighted.

This is the UK. The laws of this land dictate that hitting a child is illegal. That means slapping about head, punching legs, kicking legs, grabbing child and slapping them are all illegal acts - all of which were recorded on camera. The Laws of this land are for all those who chose to stay here.

If they want to stay in the UK, they abide by the rules of the UK. If they break those rules, they should be treated exactly the same as non Muslims (ie: the general traditional British public)

What further evidence precisely would you suggest is required for the person responsible to be prosecuted? Wait till some child is punched hard enough that they fall, knocking their head and causing a fatal injury?

Christ, that's like saying, "Yep, we saw the video of the older man raping the child", not enough evidence but hey, we at least looked into it.

I'm talking about the Undercover Mosque documentary. As far as I remember that didnt feature content of children being hit, the program focused on the nature of the teaching and preaching at certain mosques. It was investigated immediately - something you are presuming they are not going to do here - but they concluded there wasnt enough evidence to prosecute.

[InOne]

From wiki

Members of the British Conservative and Labour parties have requested an official investigation into the alleged dissemination of hate speech at mosques.[9]

Muslim groups such as the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC) have condemned the documentary as “another example of anti-Muslim hostility,” stating that it “exemplifies the problems of inherent Islamophobia and racism within the mainstream media.”[10] The Muslim Council of Britain criticised it as “heavily hyped,” while its Secretary-General, Muhammad Abdul Bari, described it as employing the “dishonest tactic of selectively quoting from some recorded speeches for the purpose of misrepresentation.”[11] The Islamic Cultural Center of London, the UK Islamic Mission, and the Markazi Jamiat Ahle-hadith organisations, all of whom are featured in the documentary, have issued separate responses.[11] In a press release, the Saudi Arabian Embassy in London denied the charges made by the documentary, labelling them as “false allegations.”[12]

The Saltley Gate Peace Group issued a press release giving its “undiminished support” to the Green Lane Masjid stating that Imam Abu Usamah “…is accepted by much of his congregation and the wider interfaith community to be a peaceful man and is known to promote peace to his congregation,” and that Abu Usamah “…encourages worshippers to avoid ‘political Islam and radicalism.’”[13]

"The 'throwing the homosexual of the mountain' comment was actually a quotation from Ibn 'Abbas, the famous Sahabi, who said: "Look for the highest building in the town, and then throw them down and stone them like the abode of Lut's people." It is from a book called Al Kabair (major sins) by Adh-Dhahabi, on which the imam in the Dispatches program was giving a lecture series.

Abu Usamah of Green Lane mosque, also has alleged that his words were taken out of context

Their council does nothing for them. Only so many times you can play the Islamophobia card.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm talking about the Undercover Mosque documentary. As far as I remember that didnt feature content of children being hit, the program focused on the nature of the teaching and preaching at certain mosques. It was investigated immediately - something you are presuming they are not going to do here - but they concluded there wasnt enough evidence to prosecute.

It amounts to the same thing as far as I am concerned. The same thing. Practices taking place which if it were by 'British white man', they'd have no hesitation in pulling out all the stops to prosecute.

It's called being pathetically cowardly and allowing the tail to wag the dog.

you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be no action taken against this man - a white man with no previous convictions smacks his daughter for bad behaviour in a dentist, loses his job, and get thrown into jail for 6months.

I bet you don't see so much as a fine, neve mind a jail sentence for this evil old abusing bastard - never mind the hatred he is teaching towards Non Muslims (which given they all are living in a Non Muslim Country, is a bloody cheek).

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

From wiki



Their council does nothing for them. Only so many times you can play the Islamophobia card.

See..this is what I am getting at. The old 'race card' comes into play, the old "You're all against us" card gets banded about to avoid dealing with it.

christ if this went on in the countries that their roots belong in - and the shoe was on the other foot - the white christian (or any other non muslim/non Islaminc follower) behaved in this matter, they wouldn't pussy foot about, they'd be stoned, lashed or worse without a second thought.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It amounts to the same thing as far as I am concerned. The same thing. Practices taking place which if it were by 'British white man', they'd have no hesitation in pulling out all the stops to prosecute.

It's called being pathetically cowardly and allowing the tail to wag the dog.

you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be no action taken against this man - a white man with no previous convictions smacks his daughter for bad behaviour in a dentist, loses his job, and get thrown into jail for 6months.

I bet you don't see so much as a fine, neve mina a jail sentence for this evil old abusing bastard.

Well what about that documentary on the BNP a few years back? They tried to highlight the extremism of the party, just as Dispatches tried to highlight the extremism of the Mosques. Admittedly Griffin did get taken to court (maybe there was more evidence, I'm not sure) but he was found innocent. You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder here.

You're still jumping to the conclusion that there will be no action taken with no real solid reason to do, other than your own suspicions. What evidence is there to suggest no action will be taken?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

See..this is what I am getting at. The old 'race card' comes into play, the old "You're all against us" card gets banded about to avoid dealing with it.

christ if this went on in the countries that their roots belong in - and the shoe was on the other foot - the white christian (or any other non muslim/non Islaminc follower) behaved in this matter, they wouldn't pussy foot about, they'd be stoned, lashed or worse without a second thought.

Well it all depends what they class themselves as. Muslim, British Muslims. Or sometimes where their family come from. They have identity crisis big time. I think we're fighting a losing battle. In the sense that nothing much will change, even after this doc.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well it all depends what they class themselves as. Muslim, British Muslims. Or sometimes where their family come from. They have identity crisis big time. I think we're fighting a losing battle. In the sense that nothing much will change, even after this doc.

I have no issue with any denomination who wish to follow their own faith in this country. None at all.

I do however draw the line when they use the race card to hide behind practices that would not be acceptable for any other 'traditional British person'. I'm not throwing a general banner around for all Muslims here, let me make that very clear. I'm directing this at those who incite hatred, bigotry, and who instil contempt in anyone who does not follow the same faith, with such teaching practises. It's that particular segment that needs to be flushed out.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I have no issue with any denomination who wish to follow their own faith in this country. None at all.

I do however draw the line when they use the race card to hide behind practices that would not be acceptable for any other 'traditional British person'. I'm not throwing a general banner around for all Muslims here, let me make that very clear. I'm directing this at those who incite hatred, bigotry, and who instil contempt in anyone who does not follow the same faith, with such teaching practises. It's that particular segment that needs to be flushed out.

Always gonna be there I'm afraid.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Always gonna be there I'm afraid.

Sadly, I think you are right (and I can understand the same with the BNP - it's one step too far but unfortunately, things like what we are discussing now, does tend to give them more fuel for their fire).

What to do.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

Always gonna be there I'm afraid.

Maybe
but David and Nick
can stop there Funding for Breaking UK Rules
Fact.