[arista]

The Angry Lesbo
Demanded No Smacking Kids on Ch4News just now.

She is Angry that MP Lamy is proud to smack his 3 year old.

A more mature lady next to her in the Interview
Asked Laurie if she had Children?

And She Shouted : Whats that got to do with it?


Well Laurie
you would then know that smacking a child
can in turn Save their life.
As a Smack before trying to Run across the Road - Is Correct.



Note: There is Nothing Wrong with Lesbos or Angry Lebos.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by arista

Note: There is Nothing Wrong with Lesbos or Angry Lebos.

[Ninastar]

I watched her earlier and she was pissing me off

she doesn't even have kids, she doesn't know what she's talking about

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I watched her earlier and she was pissing me off

she doesn't even have kids, she doesn't know what she's talking about

Bang On Right

[Jack_]

She's right. There is nothing at all right with smacking a child, it is violent and morally wrong. There's no excuses for exerting physical force upon anybody, let alone a child. And it sends out completely the wrong message from a very early age.

There's plenty of other ways to discipline a child without smacking, only those who have no control over their children resort to such actions.

[GypsyGoth]

I've seen this thing called hotsaucing on some US shows. The parents grab the child who misbehaved and the pour drops of some sorta chilli sauce into their mouths.

It looked like torture to me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She's right. There is nothing at all right with smacking a child, it is violent and morally wrong. There's no excuses for exerting physical force upon anybody, let alone a child. And it sends out completely the wrong message from a very early age.

There's plenty of other ways to discipline a child without smacking, only those who have no control over their children resort to such actions.

If a Young Child
trys to run into a Road
a Smack can Save there Life.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I've seen this thing called hotsaucing on some US shows. The parents grab the child who misbehaved and the pour drops of some sorta chilli sauce into their mouths.

It looked like torture to me.

Pathetic. What piss poor parenting skills.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by arista

If a Young Child
trys to run into a Road
a Smack can Save there Life.

If a Young Child
trys to run into a Road
Grabbing Them and Giving them
a quick Shouting At
and Then Having some of
Their Possessions revoked for a While
Will Teach them a Lesson
in a Less Brutal Way

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If a Young Child
trys to run into a Road
Grabbing Them and Giving them
a quick Shouting At
and Then Having some of
Their Possessions revoked for a While
Will Teach them a Lesson
in a Less Brutal Way

You need to find out
when You have kids

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Pathetic. What piss poor parenting skills.

Yep, and the mom tried to defend it.

Apparently it's done in a part of the states and they think it's a normal thing to do.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by arista

You need to find out
when You have kids

I agree, I haven't had kids but people underestimate how hard it is

I think smacking should be a last resort. Not something that should be done regularly.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by arista

You need to find out
when You have kids

When I have kids, I trust that I'll be able to teach them basic norms, values, healthy and safety without the need to exert physical force upon them. I couldn't ever imagine hitting a young child, let alone if they were my own flesh and blood. It is a brutal and quite frankly laughable way of trying to control your children. The message it sends out it disgusting, and as someone who disagrees with any kind of violence, smacking my children would reek of hypocrisy.

There's ways of going about things without the need to use violence or physical force. If you can't, you aren't capable of being a civilised person and you are certainly not qualified to be a decent parent.

[arista]

But many Good Parents have smacked there kids for a Valid Reason
like running across a road and not looking.
Better to keep kids Aware of the Road Dangers
and if they ignore that , a smack is not a problem to many good parents.

Life In The City.

[Jack_]

It is morally wrong to exert physical force or violence upon anyone, not just a child. I don't see how anyone can argue against that, it's pretty much common sense.

There are no excuses for smacking whatsoever.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She's right. There is nothing at all right with smacking a child, it is violent and morally wrong. There's no excuses for exerting physical force upon anybody, let alone a child. And it sends out completely the wrong message from a very early age.

There's plenty of other ways to discipline a child without smacking, only those who have no control over their children resort to such actions.

I agree jack. And I have kids, both are well behaved and I don't smack them.

[Livia]

I think there's a massive difference between smacking a child on the leg and beating a child. I had three of four smacks when I was little and all for good reason. I knew why I was smacked. I wasn't struck excessively, it was more the shock factor than the pain and I don't think I suffered for it.

If this woman wants to mount a huge crusade, I think there are better causes. Perhaps choose kids who are neglected, maybe choose kids who spend their whole life in the care system without ever knowing the love of a family, maybe kids who are actually beaten and abused and butt out of telling people how to discipline their own children.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree jack. And I have kids, both are well behaved and I don't smack them.

Exactly, people can try and defend it all they want, but really, smacking isn't the right course of action when disciplining a child.

Originally Posted by Livia

I think there's a massive difference between smacking a child on the leg and beating a child. I had three of four smacks when I was little and all for good reason. I knew why I was smacked. I wasn't struck excessively, it was more the shock factor than the pain and I don't think I suffered for it.

If this woman wants to mount a huge crusade, I think there are better causes. Perhaps choose kids who are neglected, maybe choose kids who spend their whole life in the care system without ever knowing the love of a family, maybe kids who are actually beaten and abused and butt out of telling people how to discipline their own children.

I was smacked a couple of times as a child, not often, but sometimes, and whilst it hasn't made me into a bad person, I am still totally against the principle of it. And that's what it is really, the principle of it. You are exerting physical force upon someone who is vulnerable and unable to retaliate, it is morally wrong. It's like exercising your power just because you can.

There are plenty of other ways to discipline a child effectively, smacking isn't and doesn't need to be one of them.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by arista

The Angry Lesbo
Demanded No Smacking Kids on Ch4News just now.

She is Angry that MP Lamy is proud to smack his 3 year old.

A more mature lady next to her in the Interview
Asked Laurie if she had Children?

And She Shouted : Whats that got to do with it?


Well Laurie
you would then know that smacking a child
can in turn Save their life.
As a Smack before trying to Run across the Road - Is Correct.



Note: There is Nothing Wrong with Lesbos or Angry Lebos.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I was smacked a couple of times as a child, not often, but sometimes, and whilst it hasn't made me into a bad person, I am still totally against the principle of it. And that's what it is really, the principle of it. You are exerting physical force upon someone who is vulnerable and unable to retaliate, it is morally wrong. It's like exercising your power just because you can.

There are plenty of other ways to discipline a child effectively, smacking isn't and doesn't need to be one of them.

It is not like exercising your power just because you can. My father told me that on the two occasions he smacked me as a child he felt terrible, he didn't enjoy it, but there was no other way. I believe him... he is my hero.

Unless parents abuse their children physically, I'd say it is the business of no one how they raise their children and what punishment they see fit. It is especially not the business of people like you and me who don't actually have children. Like I said, there are plenty of kids who need people taking up their cause, but loved children who get the occasional smack are not those kids.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Livia

It is not like exercising your power just because you can. My father told me that on the two occasions he smacked me as a child he felt terrible, he didn't enjoy it, but there was no other way. I believe him... he is my hero.

Unless parents abuse their children physically, I'd say it is the business of no one how they raise their children and what punishment they see fit. It is especially not the business of people like you and me who don't actually have children. Like I said, there are plenty of kids who need people taking up their cause, but loved children who get the occasional smack are not those kids.

But the thing is, exerting any physical force upon anybody without good reason (i.e. self defence, which is the only good reason in existence) is classed as abuse. Whether you like it or not, by smacking a child you are technically abusing them, I'm sorry but you are.

Of course other more serious cases of child abuse need investigating, I'm not disputing that, but cases of smacking need also to be looked into and not sidelined. It still counts as abuse and is absolutely not at all necessary. There's different ways of getting your point across, and physical force, violence and abuse is not the answer in any situation, and that includes when it comes to disciplining a child. It is morally wrong - I don't understand how anybody could say it's not, because it is.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think there's a massive difference between smacking a child on the leg and beating a child. I had three of four smacks when I was little and all for good reason. I knew why I was smacked. I wasn't struck excessively, it was more the shock factor than the pain and I don't think I suffered for it.

If this woman wants to mount a huge crusade, I think there are better causes. Perhaps choose kids who are neglected, maybe choose kids who spend their whole life in the care system without ever knowing the love of a family, maybe kids who are actually beaten and abused and butt out of telling people how to discipline their own children.

Same with me, I had a couple of pretty light smacks and I never resented my parents for it at all, or lost any respect for them, I was a right irritating bastard at times when I was little but I think I've turned out fine and I've got a really good relationship with my parents for the most part

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Livia

It is not like exercising your power just because you can. My father told me that on the two occasions he smacked me as a child he felt terrible, he didn't enjoy it, but there was no other way. I believe him... he is my hero.

Unless parents abuse their children physically, I'd say it is the business of no one how they raise their children and what punishment they see fit. It is especially not the business of people like you and me who don't actually have children. Like I said, there are plenty of kids who need people taking up their cause, but loved children who get the occasional smack are not those kids.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Same with me, I had a couple of pretty light smacks and I never resented my parents for it at all, or lost any respect for them, I was a right irritating bastard at times when I was little but I think I've turned out fine and I've got a really good relationship with my parents for the most part

BIB...I guess that is the proof that a light smack on a rare occassion had no lasting harm or effect. I agree with Livia, there are far too many children on the at risk register for Laurie Penny to try and help without concerns about an occassional smack from a loving and caring parent.