[MTVN]

I don't think the internet should be policed, and why should we entrust our governments with that anyway, and not expect them to just use that power to their own benefit, just look at how desperate they've been to put a stop to wikileaks revealing things that the authorities didn't want the public to know, and things they won't ever get to know if the internet begins to get censored. Who guards the guards and all that

In any case I highly doubt it'd even be feasible

[hennessy]

lostalex I was going to say the same!!!
I like the way the internet is, I don't want the internet policed because it may hurt the feelings of the few.
Protect yourselves and not others that don't want it

[bbfan1991]

Vile, some people out there are just nasty but the internet has it's downsides...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't think the internet should be policed, and why should we entrust our governments with that anyway, and not expect them to just use that power to their own benefit, just look at how desperate they've been to put a stop to wikileaks revealing things that the authorities didn't want the public to know, and things they won't ever get to know if the internet begins to get censored. Who guards the guards and all that

Originally Posted by hennessy

lostalex I was going to say the same!!!
I like the way the internet is, I don't want the internet policed because it may hurt the feelings of the few.
Protect yourselves and not others that don't want it

I never said I wanted the Internet policed. It is inevitable that it will have to be though, because people are untrustworthy generally and if there isn't some kind of control there will be chaos and lawnessness.

[Kazanne]

To be honest I have seen and heard far more uglier 'normal' people than this girl,I do hope people who find this sort of thing acceptable get their comuppance one day.

[hennessy]

I took umbrage at this
"Eventually, it will have to be policed in some way because some people are twisted and not to be trusted. As a consequence of the actions of a few, everyone will have to suffer their liberties being infringed and lose the total freedom they now enjoy, for the greater good. Because some people are ar5eholes and cannot be trusted to act like a reasonable human. It's just the way it is."

What greater good?
How is having our liberties stripped from us make the greater good?

[lostalex]

Trying to police the internet is ridiculous. It's like a vegan going to an S&M club and then complaining because there's too much leather.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by kazanne

To be honest I have seen and heard far more uglier 'normal' people than this girl,I do hope people who find this sort of thing acceptable get their comuppance one day.

everyone gets their "comuppance" eventually, you included. you ain't innocent, buddy.

[Jords]

People go too far its a sad place sometime

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I never said I wanted the Internet policed. It is inevitable that it will have to be though, because people are untrustworthy generally and if there isn't some kind of control there will be chaos and lawnessness.

so the internet will have to be policed by the government because the people are untrustworthy? policed by who? the government? last time i checked every government in the world is pretty un trustworthy as well. so you are gonna have an untrustworthy group of people censoring an untrustworthy group of people?" how the F does that make any kind of sense?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by hennessy

I took umbrage at this
"Eventually, it will have to be policed in some way because some people are twisted and not to be trusted. As a consequence of the actions of a few, everyone will have to suffer their liberties being infringed and lose the total freedom they now enjoy, for the greater good. Because some people are ar5eholes and cannot be trusted to act like a reasonable human. It's just the way it is."

What greater good?
How is having our liberties stripped from us make the greater good?

Having your liberties stripped from you? What are you doing on the Internet that you couldn't do if it was more regulated? Some parts of the Internet are already successfully regulated. I mean, here you are on a moderated forum. Do you feel your liberties are being inpinged by the mods here, or do you think that they just keep the dullards at bay? If Facebook was moderated in a similar way to this forum, they wouldn't have so much trouble on their hands all the time.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so the internet will have to be policed by the government because the people are untrustworthy? policed by who? the government? last time i checked every government in the world is pretty un trustworthy as well. so you are gonna have an untrustworthy group of people censoring an untrustworthy group of people?" how the F does that make any kind of sense?

Why would you think that the government would be involved?

Like I said previously... we're on a moderated forum right now. And yet... here you are.

[Niamh.]

I have to agree with Livia on this one. I mean it's like being in the real world, the police don't bother you if you're not doing anything dodgy

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have to agree with Livia on this one. I mean it's like being in the real world, the police don't bother you if you're not doing anything dodgy

Thats not strictly true

You only have to commit the crime of being a teenager, or looking a little rough to be stopped on a regular basis.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats not strictly true

You only have to commit the crime of being a teenager, or looking a little rough to be stopped on a regular basis.

You maybe, I never got stopped by the police when I was a teenager

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You maybe, I never got stopped by the police when I was a teenager

Hmmm

[hennessy]

When I was at school I got stopped all the time with my black friends when we were out at lunch (this was Sloane Square tho).
It depends how you look, if you don't conform you'll raise a lot of attention

[hennessy]

Livia it's my liberty to not be seen all the time, not to be regulated.
Your argument is like saying why don't we all have cameras in every house because if you're not up to anything then what do we have to hide?
I go to sites that started that meme, I go to sites that have unsavoury jokes.
I ask for anonymity and you ask why.
China much?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hmmm

Just sayin'

/Brian

[Livia]

Originally Posted by hennessy

Livia it's my liberty to not be seen all the time, not to be regulated.
You're argument is like saying why don't we all have cameras in every house because if you're not up yo anything you'd have nothing to hide?
I go to sites that started that meme, I go to sites that have unsavoury jokes.
I ask for anonymity and you ask why.
China much?

I will ignore the China comment. I in no way want the Internet run by governments, so I don't see how that comment can apply to anything I've said so far.

Do what you like, go where you like... but eventually it will be policed. And by policed I mean monitored in the way this place is monitored - because it is inevitable.

My argument is nothing like saying there should be cameras in every house. My argument is like saying, don't have cameras in every house, but if someone is attempting to murder you in a house, someone will call the police and the police will come.

It's a wonderful thing to imagine that the Internet will remain free and unregulated, and if everyone was normal, and honest and trustworthy, it would be possible. But not everyone is, and therefore there will be constraints. I would rather it not be so, but I can also see why it will happen.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why would you think that the government would be involved?

Like I said previously... we're on a moderated forum right now. And yet... here you are.

umm, i wasn't here 2 weeks ago lol and why was that? do i want my government given the same rights to censorship that the mods here have?. HELL NO!!! The mods here are the PERFECT example as to why censorship should not be allowed. The mods here make huge mistakes and are totally unfair, so how are you gonna use this forum as an example?? This forum PROVES that governments should NOT have that kind of power!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, i wasn't here 2 weeks ago lol and why was that? do i want my government given the same rights to censorship that the mods here have?. HELL NO!!! The mods here are the PERFECT example as to why censorship should not be allowed. The mods here make huge mistakes and are totally unfair, so how are you fgonna use this forum as an example?? This forum PROVES that governments should NOT have that kind of power!

You've crushed my soul Alex

[hennessy]

I'm well aware it's being more and more regulated but you make it sound like it's for the better.
And you pointed out what am I doing if I don't like the rules/spotlight.
Re the mods I get on fine here but on other forums I've been banned for silly (supporting the wrong team etc) or no reason so I can't agree with you on that.
No Government or state is my moral compass
Who watches the watchmen?

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have to agree with Livia on this one. I mean it's like being in the real world, the police don't bother you if you're not doing anything dodgy

Did you gloss over my thread about being searched for drugs?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by hennessy

I'm well aware it's being more and more regulated but you make it sound like it's for the better.
And you pointed out what am I doing if I don't conform.
Re the mods I get on fine here but on other forums I've been banned for silly (supporting the wrong team etc) or no reason so I can't agree with you on that.
No Government or state is my moral compass
Who watches the watchmen?

No, I don't think it's for the better. Like I keep saying, it is inevitable. But I don't believe it's for the better. I would much rather people could be trusted not to mess it up for everyone else.

I used the example of the mods here because people are saying how awful it would be if the Internet was moderated and I wanted to point out that portions of it already is. And we're all here, enjoying it, and coming back and not feeling in the least bit opressed. Well, apart from lostalex, obviously.

No government or state should ever be allowed to police the Internet. I don't have all the answers, but from a legal perspective, I can see that in the future, policing of the Internet has got to happen or it will turn to chaos.

I think I've said all I have to say on this. It's been interesting to talk to you about it though, Hennessy, and I look forward to talking with you about other stuff.