[arista]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_independence

They having a Laugh

Scotland has more chance of that.


The BBC news have this story.
I am sure Omah may post a link

[joeysteele]

I cannot see this happening at all. As you say more a laugh than to be taken seriously and with all the problems in Wales and the rest of the UK at this time, a rather illogical move in my view.

Everyone knows the greatest hope of Nationalist parties would be to have some form of, or total independent rule as to themselves but this is a non starter in Wales I'd say.

[arista]

True Joey
its all like a Dream.

[MTVN]

The Welsh nationalists are even more annoying than the Scottish ones, think they're so special with their own stupid language

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Welsh nationalists are even more annoying than the Scottish ones, think they're so special with their own stupid language

Blimey
you are taking No Prisoners today.


That Language
is dying and the are Fighting to keep it Alive


I met a Welsh promoter, a few years back
and I said to him its good the Arts Council of England
helped his project.
The next batch of Music DVD;s
had Welsh Arts Council stamped on it.


I thought I know what Party he is in.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Welsh nationalists are even more annoying than the Scottish ones, think they're so special with their own stupid language

the usual ignorance? the welsh and cornish languages are the second oldest in europe , spanning over 10,000 years, much of their history, their ancient artifacts, their buildings and gravestones, even their books, learning tools and the Bible itself was written are enscripted in these languages. all nations, all people wish to preserve their heritage. why be so mean and disrespectful?

[lostalex]

This is definitely one issue that I as an American have NO BUSINESS having an opinion on.

I personally would think because Britain is such a small island (That's why i think it makes sense for Ireland to be one country) it would make more sense for it to be united as a single country, but i don't know about all of the intricate cultural and political issues involved. But geographically i think it makes sense for Ireland to be one united country, and i think it makes sense for Britain to be one united country. But i'll shut up, cause it's none of my business.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Welsh nationalists are even more annoying than the Scottish ones, think they're so special with their own stupid language

the welsh people Ive known here since moving to wales do not support independence, I would say its at least 70% against from the people Ive met. the welsh are fiercely patriotic, but are ultimately a pacifist people. I met a man called gwynfor evans, years ago. Id never heard of him when living in england. but in Wales he was a demi God. This man , apart from a very successful business career, formed plaed cymru, after the uk parliament had flooded a town called treweryn in mid wales in around 1960. they drowned everything the animals, the schools,m the churches, everyone was kicked out and thousands were booted out, simply to make another reservoir for liverpool

no consultation nothing, liverpool was bigger. gwynfor evans told me, this had happened to 15 different welsh towns in the last 100 years. hence why wales has enormous reservoirs everywhere and is underpopulated. so he formed his welsh political party. he won the election and was driven to westminster by every man woman and child from his local village. a few years later, he negotiated with maggie thatcher, before she came to power, that wales would get 1 welsh language tv station. she agreed. but when she came to power she renaged and tried to stop it. so he went on a hunger strike. he decried any man who used violence, he was a life long pacifist. several months later, thatcher relented and allowed the channel.

25 years later the channel is going strong, the welsh language has grown significantly, its taught in every single school and approx 27% of the population speak welsh, its also spoken by the thousands of expats in the usa, patagona/argentina, canada, australia, england, new zealand etc

the numbers are growing rapidly, now that its in the schools at every level and on tv and radio

Ive even learnt a few words meself, bore dda, dda iawn, prynhawn dda,
now lets all have a cwtch
now theres lovely

I feel very strong along this language as its the first british language and is similar to cornish too.

for centuries the monarchies wanted to wipe it out, well im delighted its survived. hopefully in future it can survive and thrive by itself and not so much with government funding. i hihgly recommend anyone who loves music and language to listen any any welsh choir, myfanwy is my fave

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

This is definitely one issue that I as an American have NO BUSINESS having an opinion on.

I personally would think because Britain is such a small island (That's why i think it makes sense for Ireland to be one country) it would make more sense for it to be united as a single country, but i don't know about all of the intricate cultural and political issues involved. But geographically i think it makes sense for Ireland to be one united country, and i think it makes sense for Britain to be one united country. But i'll shut up, cause it's none of my business.

europe is sooooo ancient and most nations are pretty tiny compared to the US. Ireland united does seem like a nice goal. but but but, that would mean the north seperating from britain?

as for wales , scotland and england. they will never lose their individual identities. but to power share the running of the UK is the likeliest option
the full title of the Uk is, the United kingdon of britain and northern Ireland
the scots want to 100% run their own country, the welsh dont mind theyre laid back, the english have 95% of the wealth so it doesnt bother them much.
the scots own north sea oil, theyre also one of the bets educated people in the world, producing endless geniuses and inventors. they also have a thriving techology market and tourism is generally good. their gdp is higher than northern ireland, wales and northern england.

there is distrust of english politicians in scotland and wales due to the shall we say troubled past between the nations. most recently the evil maggie thatcher, who sacked 1.3 miners in the space of a few months. welsh/northen english coal is the best in the world , period. it takes longer to burn. but thatcher closed them all down and flooded them all. she then destroyed all the industries in 9 years, steel, copper, slate, even lime

she was involved in the hillsborough cover up, where 96 football fans died unncessarily as a result of police corruption and incompetence. she supported the cover up as she always used the police against her own people.

she evcen garnered the nickname , maggie thatcher milk snatcher, as she told everyone there is no such thing as society and withdrew all the free milk for britains poorest childrens , who had previously been deemed to have calcium defficiences. this was her message to the people. youre all alone and society doesnt care. she then went on to privative the utilities, the water, gas, electricity, the railways etc so that the prices went sky high. she also introduced a compulsory house tax called the poll tax. this created th ebiggest riots in british history , she again used the police against their fellow country men to batter them, some died in the cause. she also increased the compulsory VAT tax to 17.5% which ultimately ruined the opportunity of the poor working class business person ever growing big. she was 100% in the pockets of the rupert murdochs of this world. his papers of course throughout this period had her backing, despite the endless slander, lies, illegal phone hacking, bribes and who knows what other corruption. his paper the sun wrote a pack of lies about the hillsborough disaster, that liverpool fans were all to blame, they were violent, drunk , they broke the barriers. all lies proved forensically to be all lies.

now his paper apologies 23 years later. during the past 23 years these papers, the police and some corrupt politicians, tried to smear these dead liverpool fans, to try and ensure the stink never reached their doorstep. well this week it has, as the extent of corruption was exposed

[Omah]

Originally Posted by the truth

europe is sooooo ancient and most nations are pretty tiny compared to the US. Ireland united does seem like a nice goal. but but but, that would mean the north seperating from britain?

as for wales , scotland and england. they will never lose their individual identities. but to power share the running of the UK is the likeliest option
the full title of the Uk is, the United kingdon of britain and northern Ireland
the scots want to 100% run their own country, the welsh dont mind theyre laid back, the english have 95% of the wealth so it doesnt bother them much.
the scots own north sea oil, theyre also one of the bets educated people in the world, producing endless geniuses and inventors. they also have a thriving techology market and tourism is generally good. their gdp is higher than northern ireland, wales and northern england.

there is distrust of english politicians in scotland and wales due to the shall we say troubled past between the nations. most recently the evil maggie thatcher, who sacked 1.3 miners in the space of a few months. welsh/northen english coal is the best in the world , period. it takes longer to burn. but thatcher closed them all down and flooded them all. she then destroyed all the industries in 9 years, steel, copper, slate, even lime

she was involved in the hillsborough cover up, where 96 football fans died unncessarily as a result of police corruption and incompetence. she supported the cover up as she always used the police against her own people.

she evcen garnered the nickname , maggie thatcher milk snatcher, as she told everyone there is no such thing as society and withdrew all the free milk for britains poorest childrens , who had previously been deemed to have calcium defficiences. this was her message to the people. youre all alone and society doesnt care. she then went on to privative the utilities, the water, gas, electricity, the railways etc so that the prices went sky high. she also introduced a compulsory house tax called the poll tax. this created th ebiggest riots in british history , she again used the police against their fellow country men to batter them, some died in the cause. she also increased the compulsory VAT tax to 17.5% which ultimately ruined the opportunity of the poor working class business person ever growing big. she was 100% in the pockets of the rupert murdochs of this world. his papers of course throughout this period had her backing, despite the endless slander, lies, illegal phone hacking, bribes and who knows what other corruption. his paper the sun wrote a pack of lies about the hillsborough disaster, that liverpool fans were all to blame, they were violent, drunk , they broke the barriers. all lies proved forensically to be all lies.

now his paper apologies 23 years later. during the past 23 years these papers, the police and some corrupt politicians, tried to smear these dead liverpool fans, to try and ensure the stink never reached their doorstep. well this week it has, as the extent of corruption was exposed

Well summed up .....

[Sticks]

Talking of the Welsh

Only in Wales

Pediatrician mistaken for paedophile

A paediatrician at a south Wales hospital has been forced out of her home by vandals who thought her job title meant the same as “paedophile”.

South African-born Yvette Cloete woke up at her home in Newport to find the term “paedo” spray painted all over her walls.

The specialist registrar at the Royal Gwent Hospital is now in hiding at a friend’s house and claims she will never go back to her own, saying: “I have moved out of the area. I no longer feel safe.”

From the BBC

From the Telegraph

Mind you a more recent take on that particular story from Wales

[Raph]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Welsh nationalists are even more annoying than the Scottish ones, think they're so special with their own stupid language

How could you say that Matt? I consider myself somewhat of a Welsh nationalist in that I want Welsh independence too. I see Wales as its own proper country with it's own proper language. Note that Welsh is the oldest living language, so I think that's pretty special.

[lostalex]

Is Welsh actually the oldest language in the world? is that a fact?

if it is true then absolutely they should fight to preserve it.

[lostalex]

just out of curiosity, if Welsh does die as a language, then which language would become the oldest language?

[Shaun]

Arabic is surely older than Welsh
edit: Hebrew too

[Raph]

I just looked it up, and sorry I gave a misleading post. Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe, not in the world

[Jarrod]

We should be independent.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

ew wales

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Raph

I just looked it up, and sorry I gave a misleading post. Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe, not in the world

Oh, that's still quite a cool fact.

[arista]

Originally Posted by jarroddaniel1

We should be independent.

Sadly
will not happen

[Jarrod]

Never say never.

[arista]

Originally Posted by jarroddaniel1

Never say never.

True

We could have a Global War

Ideal for split ups

[joeysteele]

From what I have read and heard from people in Wales, the truth is right, probably something like two thirds of the Welsh would vote against independence anyway.

Even if it was a closer situation than that, one thing I cannot see is the new Plaid Cymru leader turning the tide.
Listening to and watching her speech at Plaid Cymru's conference, I don't think I have come across a more monotonous and uninspiring leader of a party anywhere in the UK.
I cannot see her bringing much in the way of success to Plaid Cymru really.

[the truth]

the welsh are not particularly political people. theyve got a vastly long history of being simply happy with their lot. they are fiercely patriotic in a totally pacificist way, they dont seem to care much about wealth or building empires. from my knowledge theyve never invaded anywhere. the fact that they only have about 10 surnames (morgan, davies, jones, williams, evans, lewis etc) hihglights that the welsh done tend to stray far from home. they love their homeland and they live in peace. theres never been any civil wars or religious wars at all. theyve been invaded for thousands of years by normans, anglo saxons, the french, the english, the nazis. hence the fact Wales has more castles per square mile than any nation on earth. the huge ones built by the english, the small ones built by the welsh on small budgets to defend their territory. the castles are breathtaking. how they built them on the edges of mountains is mind boggling

however the welsh have been very loyal to the cause fo Great Britain.
they provided much of the ingenuity for the industrial revolution which began in the UK
the welsh are known for a rare type of genius, for example, the great orme, there they produced the world first copper, 4000 years ago. mind boggling. swansea was producing 66% of the worlds copper, and got nicknamed tinopolis. they copper is the main reason we built a british empire. why? copper bottomed boats were unsinkable.

once we had that competitive advantage, then we took over the seas and all the sea ports, in africa, canada, australia, new zealand, the caribbean, etc etc
wales was at the cutting edge of coal, tin, copper, gold production (nearly all the monarchys gold is welsh gold, all the money and even olympic medals are made in llantrisant , wales) take a look at the queens throne in the house of lords, 100% pure welsh gold. the welsh have never had any compensation for any of this, they were loyal to the crown. despite the 1000 years history of being invaded , raped and pillaged
the welsh were the worlds number 1 coal producers and produced the best coal. they signed the first ever million pound coal deal at the coal exchange cardiff bay over a century ago. they also were world famous prducers of slate, tin, steel, lime etc they also produced all the cannonnballs that also created the british empire. the welsh in the end set up the unions and took their infrastructure. their steelworks were rebuilt brick for brick worldwide in russia, across eastern europe and in areas of america like pennsylvania, named after welsh immigrant william penn.

the welsh and the scots were th emain architects of the declaration of indepence,possibly the greatest and most unchanged legal document in history, (after another welsh legal document, the legendary Magna carta of the 14th century) people like thomas jefferson were welsh immigrants and spoke welsh, as were several other american early presidents. in wales they had equal opportunity laws for women and all peoples over 500 years ago.


welsh archers were known as the best, they fought alongside the english at agincourt and even in the battle of banuckburn against william wallace. however their loyalties were divided as the princess of wales was playing both sides. the last welsh prince of wales was stabbed in the back in mid wales by an english prince , the english prince then sent his wife to caernarfon to give birth and he then in effect stole the title prince of wales in the 13th century until today. thats why no prince of wales sounds welsh or is welsh

the archers were flogged to death and became deformed, so much so their fingers got stuck in showing the v sign, this is where the v sign (for up yours, or to fck off) was first used.

the welsh have fought alongside their english, scottish, northern irish and american, canadian , aussie, kiwi etc cousins for centuries. take a look at the movie Zulu, if you want to see a welsh regiment in action. people say its exaggerated, no. It happened. And owuld the welsh really sing in the face of inevitable death at the hands fo 5000 zulus. hell yes.

the man who created the national health service was a legendary welshman, called aneurin bevan. a king amongst men.

the greatest prime minister ever, in the history of the world is welshman david lloyd george. he is known as a flawed genius, a welsh wizard. brought up in a poor farm cottage in north wales. this man invented the entire tax the rich system, he invented the welfare state, he invented national insurance, he fought to give women the vote and the working man, he got us through the great depression as chancellor then prime minister, he created the possibility of the NHS, and he got us through the dreadful world war 1. he served as a politician for decades later. his reputation was scarred by allegaed affair with 2 women (he had a woman in wales and in london) and for some allegations about share dealings. but this is a man who was so charismatic he charmed the kings and landowners to tax themselves millions for the rest of time, a man who gave us, the peoples budget and a chance for the poor, the sick to survive and thrive.

It could only have been a free thinking genius from outside the power group swho could have created such ingenious change. he also gave the Welsh churches autonomy.

as the old joke goes, when the brits found new zealand, after 2 weeks, the 2 scots sat on the beach distilling water into whiskey, the 2 irish played and fought each other, the welsh formed a choir and the english were still waiting to properly introduced. its a cliche but theres truth to it.

wales is not a land about power or wealth or greed or money. Its about deeper values. Its about helping your fellow man, its about living in a fair , balanced, beautiful country.
It has more clean beaches than the rest of the UK put together, the landscape is extraordinary. I say without any shame, the day I first attended Llangollen international festival, I cried. Honestly I cant tell you how beautiful that place is. I met the great terry waite and there were contestants from all over the globe having a great time. the steam trains,the mountains, the river, the barges. even indiana jones is said to have holidayed there. i highly recommend a visit to llangollen , dolgellau, betws y coed, llanberis, blaenau ffestiniog. theese towns were built purely from the earth. all the slate, copper, coal, wood, all dug up by the locals, and used to build their homes in the mountains and the remainder exported. magical places.

i do wish wales had a stronger private economy, Im not a socialist. it does need rebalancing, the councils across the UK are decayed wasteful and often corrupt. I believe a bigge rprivae sector would suit the much fabled welsh ingenuity. sadly theres too many politicians involved and welsh identity clearly has never, nor will ever be defined by politicians or money.

despite this, i find the people friendly and there is opportunity if you use your imagination. Theres very little gun crime in wales, no wild animals, so its a pretty happy peaceful warm friendly, beautiful place. I love this country and wouldnt want to live anywhere else

[Marcus.]

every whats to leave us