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CaudleHalbard · 16-07-2013, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

don't think it's really fair for Hazel's actions to be the ones under scrutiny

What a strange comment when it was Hazel who instigated the whole thing when all Daley wanted to do is sleep.

This is not defending Daley but Hazel deserves the spotlight shone on her actions too.

In any case, Daley is out. Hazel is still in the house although it's arguable whether she deserves to be.

Tom4784 · 16-07-2013, 01:16 AM

It's moments like these that remind me why I hate most people. I honestly do not get how people can honestly blame Hazel, I really don't like her but she did NOTHING to deserve what she got from Daley.

There's some very twisted people on here.

MTVN · 16-07-2013, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

What a strange comment when it was Hazel who instigated the whole thing when all Daley wanted to do is sleep.

This is not defending Daley but Hazel deserves the spotlight shone on her actions too.

In any case, Daley is out. Hazel is still in the house although it's arguable whether she deserves to be.

So messing around saying she wants a hug before going to sleep is now an instigator to being threatened like that?

kefln · 16-07-2013, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

What a strange comment when it was Hazel who instigated the whole thing when all Daley wanted to do is sleep.

This is not defending Daley but Hazel deserves the spotlight shone on her actions too.

In any case, Daley is out. Hazel is still in the house although it's arguable whether she deserves to be.

Hazel instigated the flirtation - in a relationship that daley started. She however was not expecting to be forced to lie down with hands on her throat.

Marsh. · 16-07-2013, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's moments like these that remind me why I hate most people. I honestly do not get how people can honestly blame Hazel, I really don't like her but she did NOTHING to deserve what she got from Daley.

There's some very twisted people on here.

This. I'm quite surprised tbh.

Miranda123 · 16-07-2013, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

On BOTS just now to Dan. What do we think?

Dan - You were scared?

Hazel - I was terrified.

So terrified that she returned to the safe house, climbed into bed with him and cuddled him to sleep..................................

Im_Juz_ChiLLin · 16-07-2013, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Miranda123

So terrified that she returned to the safe house, climbed into bed with him and cuddled him to sleep..................................

and daley still had no clue that afternoon that she was uncomfortable about it last night as she gave him cuddles and kisses that morning without any hint..... she must have been so shaken deary me

GypsyGoth · 16-07-2013, 01:25 AM

BB dropped the ball on this, a volatile guy like that should never have been let into the house. The place is meant to be a safe one to flirt with and have fun with whomever. Hazel's confidence was born out of the fact she knew there were security on the other side of the door.

Anyway trying to turn the spotlight onto her is just madness and shows how backwards this world can be at times. Was Hazel too flirtatious? So she earned a near headbutt to her face and her throat grabbed pinning her to the bed.

Daley is the one people should be focusing on and condemning for his horrid actions. What he did was wrong!

GypsyGoth · 16-07-2013, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Miranda123

So terrified that she returned to the safe house, climbed into bed with him and cuddled him to sleep..................................

Here is your answer.........................................

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

In the moment he tried to headbutt her face, she was terrified. She knew then things had gotten out of control and he was like a different person. BB called him to the DR the moment he put her in danger.

After he had calmed down, the lead up to the situation wasn't going to repeat itself. The danger had passed and he was like his normal self again. But that doesn't diminish the fact that she was terrified in that moment.

Jords · 16-07-2013, 01:27 AM

I still cant believe on national TV that Daley gripped Hazel around the neck, he is mad.

Without that, it was bad roleplay, Hazel herself if I recall correctly said something about "I can handle an aggressive man" in a flirty dirty way, but that was taking 10 strides right across the line.

I dont think he would have ever hit her though.

Jords · 16-07-2013, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

In the moment he tried to headbutt her face, she was terrified. She knew then things had gotten out of control and he was like a different person. BB called him to the DR the moment he put her in danger.

After he had calmed down, the lead up to the situation wasn't going to repeat itself. The danger had passed and he was like his normal self again. But that doesn't diminish the fact that she was terrified in that moment.

Wait what?! I was unaware this happened

Miranda123 · 16-07-2013, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kefln

I dont care how you feel about Hazel, but blaming her for this, is just wrong/sick/crazy.

Yes she was flirting, yes she was looking for attention, maybe she was looking for a little bed action, but she wasnt looking/expecting what happened.

It all went wrong from the point that daley stood on the bed, in a dominate pose, calling her a mother******, then telling her to respect him, then holding her by the throat and throwing her a headbutt.

The sooner BB called him to the diaryroom, she fled to the chair.

Hazels conflict of interest was plain to see. Daley is/was her friend, his change was so extreme that she didnt know how to react. She was in shock.

And I am in shock over peoples reactions. Listening to the callers BBBOTS a lot of the blame was being dropped on hazels lap. Which is twisted. When does slapping a guy on the arse equate to being threatened with a headbutt? When does pulling someones pants down, in the dark, whike laughing, equal being grabbed by the throat?

It reminds me of girls wearing short skirts being blamed for inappropriate reactions by men.

i dont think anyone should condone what Daley did but there are some double standards here

Hazel has spent the last 2 weeks touching him up inappropriately and when he has asked her to back off and leave him alone (because he was getting aroused) she proceeded to touch him again and wiggle herself on his lap

I think if that had been a guy, touching a girl, who was asking not to be touched, he would have been warned off but BB wanted them to 'get it on' so they just let her continue

She should have been thrown out too is all Im saying

Him for his aggressive behaviour

Her for her sexually aggressive behaviour

Miranda123 · 16-07-2013, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by reece(:

She wasn't permitted to leave the safe house and I thought she didn't want to show herself as weak willed.

Oh ok, that must be it then

Big brother spoke to her in the Diary room, she told them she was scared but they forced her back into the Safe House and made her sleep with him

Yeah cause that could happen lololol

She could have requested not to go back there but went of her own accord

In fact if BB hadnt thrown him out, she'd be laying on that same bed with him tonight demanding 'hugs' and we all know what 'hugs' means

Do not say she wouldnt, cause she definetly would

GypsyGoth · 16-07-2013, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jords

Wait what?! I was unaware this happened

When he had her by the throat, he said something like - before i nut you one. And he jabbed his head slightly towards her face. She couldn't move.

BB called him to the DR at that moment.

Jords · 16-07-2013, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

When he had her by the throat, he said something like - before i nut you one. And he jabbed his head slightly towards her face. She couldn't move.

BB called him to the DR at that moment.

I didnt see him do that, Jesus Id have chucked him out right away.

DanielLuis · 16-07-2013, 01:35 AM

It was visible that she was a bit scared during the incident.

Kizzy · 16-07-2013, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

What a strange comment when it was Hazel who instigated the whole thing when all Daley wanted to do is sleep.

This is not defending Daley but Hazel deserves the spotlight shone on her actions too.

In any case, Daley is out. Hazel is still in the house although it's arguable whether she deserves to be.

Then why did he not say, sorry hazel I have had a lot to drink this evening an I'm tired?.....
No.... he had spent a hour keying himself up whilst she was speaking to charlie in the garden and he was left alone to pace and rant away alone, he lied swearing on his childrens lives then did some bizarre 'countdown' after which he was whipped into such a frenzy he was past any rational conversation!

Miranda123 · 16-07-2013, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by smudgie

How do we the public know where either of them slept last night. Do we even know what time Daley was removed. I have no idea myself.

Yes we do know she spent the night with him, not just because Daley said that they had slept together in the same bed cuddling, when he was called to be evicted but because they were woken up together this morning and he was called again to the Diary room after last nights talking to, to be evicted

GypsyGoth · 16-07-2013, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jords

I didnt see him do that, Jesus Id have chucked him out right away.

Go to 3:52 on this vid

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Miranda123 · 16-07-2013, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Here is your answer.........................................

OH I GET IT NOW

a guy you hardly know (but are more than eager to be alone with) uses threatening behaviour towards you and 'terrifies' you

But, wait a minute, he seems to be calming down now, what should I do

Answers:

A. Run a bleeding mile

B. Run a bleeding mile

C. Jump into bed beside him and spoon him for the rest of the evening and then wake up and kiss him and say 'Good Morning Husband'

Obviously its C..............DOH

optimisticcynic · 16-07-2013, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Go to 3:52 on this vid

Youtube video

Good spot Gypsy, but why no mention of her pretendng to headbutt him at 3:33?

Toy Soldier · 16-07-2013, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Miranda123

So terrified that she returned to the safe house, climbed into bed with him and cuddled him to sleep..................................

She was scared of him during the incident - it doesn't mean that she suddenly stopped liking him or thinking that, generally, he's her friend (possibly slightly more). Christ... people stay in full on abusive relationships for years where most of the time things are good, but one (or both) people get out of hand sometimes (often with a drink in them).

So yeah... she knew the situation had been defused, she was glad to be out of it, she didn't really have time to process what had gone on but was happy to see "normal Daley" back again and wanting to cuddle up is actually quite understandable. Think of a child who is hit or verbally abused by their parent: all they want, is for their parent to "be nice again" and give them a cuddle. The incident didn't make her hate him... it just shocked her and she wanted him to "be nice again". She tries to get things back to being silly / nice / flirty during the lead up to being pinned down, but he doesnt listen until Big Brother calls him away. After they had both been to the diary room, she was just glad to have him back, I reckon.

I don't think any of it made her dislike him; she just saw a side of him that she wasn't comfortable with. I doubt she wanted to see him kicked out, either.

GypsyGoth · 16-07-2013, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Miranda123

OH I GET IT NOW

a guy you hardly know (but are more than eager to be alone with) uses threatening behaviour towards you and 'terrifies' you

But, wait a minute, he seems to be calming down now, what should I do

Answers:

A. Run a bleeding mile

B. Run a bleeding mile

C. Jump into bed beside him and spoon him for the rest of the evening and then wake up and kiss him and say 'Good Morning Husband'

Obviously its C..............DOH

Her actions might not seem rational to you, but you'd have to be in a situation like that to know how you'd act, and I hope you never are. What she faced was scary and really menacing.

By keeping the focus on Hazel you're what,

A. Trying to understand her actions?

B. Deflecting others attention away his sickening behaviour?

C. Trying to justify what he did in some way?

Jords · 16-07-2013, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Go to 3:52 on this vid

Youtube video

wow I think the internet distracted me so I didnt catch that, Hazel was scared at that point definitely.

Its so confusing though, I watched that whole clip. I cant seem to find the point where things were getting nasty. I actually didnt realise that Hazel slapped Daley's arse first, but her and his return both seem like playfight and they both were laughing. Even when Hazel pulled down his shorts he was laughing and its somewhere after he got angry, at first it does seem like aggressive roleplay building up to snogging each other's faces off but that leant in headbutt no no thats scary.