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Josy · 15-01-2014, 11:30 PM

I know Lionel can be right bitchy at times and he should have taken a bit of the blame for asking Luisa to pass those chocs but I honestly don't know how Luisa could stand there bawling at a man of his age like that? I also think Lionel looked visibly shaken after it when he was outside smoking and BB should at least have shouted him to the DR to make sure he was alright.

Jack_ · 15-01-2014, 11:31 PM

I thought it was brilliant

'You're just a selfish little bitch'

or whatever it was

Hope she winds him up again

reece(: · 15-01-2014, 11:33 PM

Someone needed the guts to bring him down a peg or two

Jordan. · 15-01-2014, 11:33 PM

It was his idea to climb over also

flamingGalah! · 15-01-2014, 11:34 PM

That mouthy madam has no respect for anyone, least of all herself

MrWong · 15-01-2014, 11:34 PM

I don't see Lionel as a delicate little flower.

He's a vicious old queen.

MTVN · 15-01-2014, 11:35 PM

Yeah he was very shaken by it, especially as Luisa would barely let him get a word in and kept shouting over the top of him which started to really wind him up. I agree that I couldn't imagine ever having a full on screaming match with someone who's 82 years old, even if he was also in the wrong I think you have to be a bit more tolerant and accepting towards people that age

Lister of Smeg · 15-01-2014, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWong

I don't see Lionel as a delicate little flower.

He's a vicious old queen.

Delicate flower indeed Luisa should ask where his pussies at

daniel-lewis-1985 · 15-01-2014, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I know Lionel can be right bitchy at times and he should have taken a bit of the blame for asking Luisa to pass those chocs but I honestly don't know how Luisa could stand there bawling at a man of his age like that? I also think Lionel looked visibly shaken after it when he was outside smoking and BB should at least have shouted him to the DR to make sure he was alright.

He called her a ****ing bitch lol. I cant even defend Lionel in this as he was so in the wrong, he looked ridiculous and behaved like a brat.

Josy · 15-01-2014, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

He called her a ****ing bitch lol. I cant even defend Lionel in this as he was so in the wrong, he looked ridiculous and behaved like a brat.

I'm not defending Lionel but I am saying I personally wouldn't have stood there bawling at someone of that age, it would just feel wrong to me and I do think Lionel looked shaken and BB should have shouted him to the DR.

flamingGalah! · 15-01-2014, 11:41 PM

Poor Lionel, I bet Sammy Davis Jr was spinning in his grave at Luisa's vile outburst

JTM45 · 15-01-2014, 11:43 PM

I think if you're going to go into the CBB house you've gotta' be prepared for that kinda' thing.
This idea that the oldies should be molly-coddled doesn't wash with me, especially when he was giving worse than he got anyway!

Toy Soldier · 15-01-2014, 11:50 PM

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This idea that the oldies should be molly-coddled doesn't wash with me

Me either, in fact, I find it downright offensive. I really don't get it at all. So children are to be coddled and protected because they lack the world experience to take someone on and so it's not fair for an adult to have a straight up argument with them... then you become an adult and you can look out for yourself / stand your own ground... and then what? You hit 70 and suddenly you're a baby again to be coo'd over and taken care of? **** that. If that happens to me when I hit old age, I'll be packing myself off to Dignitas.

If in his 82 years he hasn't figured out how to hold his nerve and win an argument, then he's just been straight-up lazy. Old people may be physically frail compared to adults "in their prime" but, so long as they're still in possession of all of their mental faculties (as Lionel is), there's no reason in the world that he should need "protecting" from anyone who isn't being physically aggressive. It's patronising.

Jake. · 15-01-2014, 11:54 PM

Tbh if he was prepared to sit back and let her deal with the consequences then she was never going to let him off lightly.. she was rude, but right.

Kizzy · 16-01-2014, 12:02 AM

Totally, lionel and jim were horrible and rude!
Yes she was gobby and she peed him off but the effing bitch, evil cow and whatever else he said was out of order.
As far as I remember apart from reiterating about the chocs she didn't insult lionel.

Josy · 16-01-2014, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Me either, in fact, I find it downright offensive. I really don't get it at all. So children are to be coddled and protected because they lack the world experience to take someone on and so it's not fair for an adult to have a straight up argument with them... then you become an adult and you can look out for yourself / stand your own ground... and then what? You hit 70 and suddenly you're a baby again to be coo'd over and taken care of? **** that. If that happens to me when I hit old age, I'll be packing myself off to Dignitas.

If in his 82 years he hasn't figured out how to hold his nerve and win an argument, then he's just been straight-up lazy. Old people may be physically frail compared to adults "in their prime" but, so long as they're still in possession of all of their mental faculties (as Lionel is), there's no reason in the world that he should need "protecting" from anyone who isn't being physically aggressive. It's patronising.

Don't get me wrong with my posts, I'm definitely of the opinion that respect should be earned and not related to age as such and I'm in no way saying you shouldn't argue with someone older than a certain age but having a little more tolerance wouldn't hurt and to stand there bawling and shouting at someone that age is a bit OTT in my opinion and it isn't something I could do as it would just feel wrong to me.

I wasn't insinuating he needed any protection either but I do think he looked shaken after the argument and that BB should at least have checked to see if he was alright.

Josy · 16-01-2014, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Totally, lionel and jim were horrible and rude!
Yes she was gobby and she peed him off but the effing bitch, evil cow and whatever else he said was out of order.
As far as I remember apart from reiterating about the chocs she didn't insult lionel.

Jim wasn't part of the argument?

MeMyselfAndI · 16-01-2014, 12:07 AM

Lionel is a horrible twat that deserves no respect

Z · 16-01-2014, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Josy

Don't get me wrong with my posts, I'm definitely of the opinion that respect should be earned and not related to age as such and I'm in no way saying you shouldn't argue with someone older than a certain age but having a little more tolerance wouldn't hurt and to stand there bawling and shouting at someone that age is a bit OTT in my opinion and it isn't something I could do as it would just feel wrong to me.

I wasn't insinuating he needed any protection either but I do think he looked shaken after the argument and that BB should at least have checked to see if he was alright.

Yeah I don't get why they wouldn't call him into the Diary Room, because BB tends to do that once an argument has run its course to see what the housemates are thinking and to see if they're okay if someone was in tears or whatever... just seemed like they dropped the ball on that one

jet · 16-01-2014, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I'm not defending Lionel but I am saying I personally wouldn't have stood there bawling at someone of that age, it would just feel wrong to me and I do think Lionel looked shaken and BB should have shouted him to the DR.

I totally agree. Luisa was way out of order yelling at him like that and BB should have at least checked that he was alright afterwards.

jet · 16-01-2014, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Me either, in fact, I find it downright offensive. I really don't get it at all. So children are to be coddled and protected because they lack the world experience to take someone on and so it's not fair for an adult to have a straight up argument with them... then you become an adult and you can look out for yourself / stand your own ground... and then what? You hit 70 and suddenly you're a baby again to be coo'd over and taken care of? **** that. If that happens to me when I hit old age, I'll be packing myself off to Dignitas.

If in his 82 years he hasn't figured out how to hold his nerve and win an argument, then he's just been straight-up lazy. Old people may be physically frail compared to adults "in their prime" but, so long as they're still in possession of all of their mental faculties (as Lionel is), there's no reason in the world that he should need "protecting" from anyone who isn't being physically aggressive. It's patronising.

Lionel isn't 70, he's 82 and has some breathing problems. He looked shaken up and BB should have spoken to him to make sure he was alright, that's all.
I don't agree that it's patronizing to to want to look out for someone of his age health wise. Arguments cause the blood pressure to rise and the heart to work harder. Concern isn't patronizing, it's sensible.