[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zee

"Who's in there?"
"It's me, Reeva"

That's all it would have taken to prevent this from happening. So either he crept up to the door and shot whoever was behind it without asking any questions or he knew it was her. Shoot first and ask questions later. Not nice.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why would an intruder go into his bathroom and lock himself in though? It makes absolutely no sense

he also got out of bed on his stumps now I don't know must about it, but I'd imagine it would be a slower process traversing the bedroom to get out, so why at any point did he not check that Reeva was in bed? and if he did think someone was in the bathroom, wouldn't your first instinct be to call out to Reeva to get up, or get out, not just leave her lying in bed oblivious, just doesn't add up to me.

Reevas Mum was interviewed by ITV yesterday and she said he still hasn't looked her in the eyes, why not if he is innocent?

[lostalex]

I think we need to address misogyny in professional sports.

We talk about homophobia in professional sports a lot recently, because pif the coming out of many players recently, but what about also addressing misogyny in professional sports?

I think the hyper-masculine/macho culture of professional sports (and also amateur/highschool/college sports) is very misogynistic as well as homophobic, i think the 2 issues are related.

The idea of athletes as Greek Gods that surely must be worshipped for their hyper-masculinity.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I just think he's going to be found not guilty because his defence is plausible..I'm not saying I think that's what happened but just that it is possible so therefore leaves an element of doubt and I think that it was more or less going to be that way on a murder charge as opposed to manslaughter, because surely he would have to have a prison sentence for that...

Do you think his defense is plausible? God, I think his defense is awful and completely unbelievable

[smudgie]

He screams like a woman when he is anxious...but Reeva did not hear him and say it was her that was in the toilet.
He felt vulnerable because the bedroom done wAs locked yet he managed to walk down the passage to the bathroom.
He could easily have woke Reeva and unlocked the door, gun in hand.
He could even have tried ringing security..

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Do you think his defense is plausible? God, I think his defense is awful and completely unbelievable

..I think it's plausible the way it seems to be being presented and I also can't understand why it was never manslaughter because surely he would have to be given a prison sentence with that..maybe not such a long one..(..I don't know what SA law is..)...but with a murder charge he could be found innocent...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think it's plausible the way it seems to be being presented and I also can't understand why it was never manslaughter because surely he would have to be given a prison sentence with that..maybe not such a long one..(..I don't know what SA law is..)...but with a murder charge he could be found innocent...

he could be found innocent isn't a good enough reason not to make it a murder charge imo, he shot her through a locked door, that's cold blooded and cruel and she deserves proper justice imo

Not sure how he's going to get away with this. He's definitely going to need a good stump speech.

[Vicky.]

No I do not think it will be fair. Its the same as most other high profile cases. The jury is biased before going in because of the media stuff..most people have made up their minds one way or the other before even seeing any evidence, etc etc

I do think that papers should be kinda gagged in some cases tbh. To ensure fair trials. Yeah bring everything out afterwards, and do light reporting at the time, but to divulge every detail of cases (and in many instances make stuff up too, depending which side the papers on) should be seen as perversion of justice..surely?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

he could be found innocent isn't a good enough reason not to make it a murder charge imo, he shot her through a locked door, that's cold blooded and cruel and she deserves proper justice imo

..I'm just not sure that she or her family will get it though tbh, I still think that his defence will present a good 'reasonable doubt' case and he'll be found innocent...

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Not sure how he's going to get away with this. He's definitely going to need a good stump speech.

.....there isn't really any reply to that, I think the 'hasn't got s leg to stand on' one has already been used...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm just not sure that she or her family will get it though tbh, I still think that his defence will present a good 'reasonable doubt' case and he'll be found innocent...



.....there isn't really any reply to that, I think the 'hasn't got s leg to stand on' one has already been used...

Quite possible, I guess it's a shame that it has to be one thing or another in cases like this, that the evidence couldn't be put forward and the defense given and then let the jury decide whether they think he's guilty of murder or manslaughter or innocent of both

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm just not sure that she or her family will get it though tbh, I still think that his defence will present a good 'reasonable doubt' case and he'll be found innocent...



.....there isn't really any reply to that, I think the 'hasn't got s leg to stand on' one has already been used...

Well if he does get away with it, then I'm sure he'll go out afterwards for celebratory drinks, and get totally.....





























Hammered.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Well if he does get away with it, then I'm sure he'll go out afterwards for celebratory drinks, and get totally.....





























Hammered.

..I reckon he wouldn't be able to stand a round anyway...(ok, this is serious debates...I'm stopping now...)...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No I do not think it will be fair. Its the same as most other high profile cases. The jury is biased before going in because of the media stuff..most people have made up their minds one way or the other before even seeing any evidence, etc etc

I do think that papers should be kinda gagged in some cases tbh. To ensure fair trials. Yeah bring everything out afterwards, and do light reporting at the time, but to divulge every detail of cases (and in many instances make stuff up too, depending which side the papers on) should be seen as perversion of justice..surely?

They dont actually have a jury in South African courts, its completely in the hands of the judge who in this case is one of the few female judges and has spoken about the need to do more to protect woman from domestic violence and imposed tough sentences on male abusers

Good luck Oscar

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They dont actually have a jury in South African courts, its completely in the hands of the judge who in this case is one of the few female judges and has spoken about the need to do more to protect woman from domestic violence and imposed tough sentences on male abusers

Good luck Oscar

Ahh right. I thought it was the same as us.

My point still stands for other cases then

I dont know enough about this case to form an opinion really. Though I have literally just heard on the news that he randomly shot a gun in a restaurant a month or so before the incident :S

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They dont actually have a jury in South African courts, its completely in the hands of the judge who in this case is one of the few female judges and has spoken about the need to do more to protect woman from domestic violence and imposed tough sentences on male abusers

Good luck Oscar

That's good to know

[Nedusa]

He must have been really desparate for the toilet...............

One good witness and his defence will be totally cut off at the knees.

[Nedusa]

He is certainly in a very sticky situation !!!


Sorry - that belongs in the other thread

[Z]

I think he's guilty and I sincerely, sincerely hope the judge sends him to jail for a long time.

[Niamh.]

Roses are Red,
Violets are glorious,
Don't ever creep up,
On Oscar Pistorius

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No I do not think it will be fair. Its the same as most other high profile cases. The jury is biased before going in because of the media stuff..most people have made up their minds one way or the other before even seeing any evidence, etc etc

I do think that papers should be kinda gagged in some cases tbh. To ensure fair trials. Yeah bring everything out afterwards, and do light reporting at the time, but to divulge every detail of cases (and in many instances make stuff up too, depending which side the papers on) should be seen as perversion of justice..surely?

No juries in SA just a Judge and two other people not sure what their role is. Oh sorry just seen MTVNs post.

[Cherie]

Denied early release

[arista]

Yes the Family
are pleased his early release was stopped.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-65141013

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Denied early release

Good

[LeatherTrumpet]

tbh he never had a leg to stand on with the release