[mooo]

She should run when she gets out

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, he's really quite creepy and reminds me a bit of Daley with his 'control' but just executes it in a different/less aggressive way...even with the vid message from his mum, it became almost like...'you've been bad my child, but I forgive you..and now you're MINE..'....a sinister priest type thing...she is quite a 'submissive' person though, isn't she..?...

I think she's a lot more clued up than she came across, she smiled as he said it. I bet in her mind she was thinking 'you don't own me!' Her VT on BOTS showed her more talkative side.

It all adds up to me now, the eye rolls, the i don't like being touched by you face, the lack of emotion when cuddling/kissing, the eye rolls, Kimberly could run rings around him, the sad part is that his true self came out. He's shown himself to be insecure, controlling, dominating and the relentless wittering on and on (i'm surprised my t.v has survived when he's on!).

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by mooo

She should run when she gets out

..he's going to chop her legs off Misery style first though.....

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't see it like that at all...she didn't 'let him' get emotionally or sexually involved, he's pushed and pushed to the point of this being some kind of 'fantasy' thing when she really hasn't up until the last few days seemed to give him any indications of her feelings for him...so nothing is 'fact' although. yes my feelings about Steven's sincerity are just personal instinct thing and could be wrong....but still, whether he is sincere or not, he's still now got the opportunity to put the breaks on a bit and leave it until they're out of the house, which with her 'ex' thing would be the most obvious thing to do but he's still pushing her ...I don't understand this 'on a break' thing anyway, I've only seen it with Ross and Rachel and there it seemed as though one thought it was over and the other one didn't...

I don't get what you mean by pushed and pushed? It was him and her who agreed to take it further, its not like she couldn't have said no to him at anytime before any of the kissing, I just think that a lot of people are being to kind to Kim in this situation and Villianising Steven to much when he is the one that has been lied to for weeks, maybe if Kim wasn't so gormless and actually tried to make an effort the way he does then they'd get somewhere

[Novo]

Steven being compared to Daley, I've heard it all now

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Novo

I don't get what you mean by pushed and pushed? It was him and her who agreed to take it further, its not like she couldn't have said no to him at anytime before any of the kissing, I just think that a lot of people are being to kind to Kim in this situation and Villianising Steven to much when he is the one that has been lied to for weeks, maybe if Kim wasn't so gormless and actually tried to make an effort the way he does then they'd get somewhere

..but then maybe she didn't want to 'get somewhere' in the house but wanted to wait until they had left to see how it all was with her 'ex' as well, that's the impression I've got and if his feeling are genuine then they're not going to go anywhere but he seems to want this thing to happen in the house...and why wouldn't that all be confusing to her when she hasn't yet had the chance to resolve how things were when she went into the house..why can't he just agree to wait....

[Novo]

If she didn't want to get somewhere with him then she wouldn't have let him kiss her and the rest... She doesn't give a **** about her ex, anyone who would go on TV and do that with another guy clearly doesn't

[rubymoo]

Made me laugh as he assumed she'd be out first, and wanted her to wait for him, like he thinks he's more popular the she is LOL!

If she is out first she'll get back with her BF and they'll milk the attention they get, Steven can do the 'Kimberly love rat' headline, they'll all make some money and get on with their sad little lives

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I think she's a lot more clued up than she came across, she smiled as he said it. I bet in her mind she was thinking 'you don't own me!' Her VT on BOTS showed her more talkative side.

It all adds up to me now, the eye rolls, the i don't like being touched by you face, the lack of emotion when cuddling/kissing, the eye rolls, Kimberly could run rings around him, the sad part is that his true self came out. He's shown himself to be insecure, controlling, dominating and the relentless wittering on and on (i'm surprised my t.v has survived when he's on!).

and she was frowning at him in a way that suggested "are you actually trying to tell me what to do". Kim knows exactly what she is doing, she looks like a bit of a victim now, instead of a cheat, it's all looking good for the Kimbot

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and she was frowning at him in a way that suggested "are you actually trying to tell me what to do". Kim knows exactly what she is doing, she looks like a bit of a victim now, instead of a cheat, it's all looking good for the Kimbot

Agreed! She's not stupid, she's a playboy bunny and they aren't to be messed with

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Novo

If she didn't want to get somewhere with him then she wouldn't have let him kiss her and the rest... She doesn't give a **** about her ex, anyone who would go on TV and do that with another guy clearly doesn't

..maybe but that still doesn't equate to him being taken for a ride though because he's clarified the 'dating' bit and still seems to want this thing to very much happen immediately, rather than wait until they get out so he took himself on that ride ....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Agreed! She's not stupid, she's a playboy bunny and they aren't to be messed with

I had to laugh when Winston said she might be dating Heffner

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I had to laugh when Winston said she might be dating Heffner

[Metalface Mark]

It was completely embarrassing watching Steven talk to her last night, he's not emotionally developed enough to have that kind of relationship, relationship 101 is to let someone be themselves - telling her she cant speak to the ex till they are both out and they do it together is ridiculous.

Someone said its like Chanel and Ziggy yesterday and it is, its going to blow up on screen and its going to be horrible to watch like that was.

[chuff me dizzy]

Its a business deal ,dont forget this creep bragged of taking the family business from his family and how they now work for him,if he had told me where I could go ,not go ,told me to go to his family ,you wouldnt has seen my arse for dust

[Northern Monkey]

It's all for the money,i would'nt take any of it too seriously tbh.He's insecure and she's a player but they're only doing it to cash in.They'll be finished after a month on mag deals.

[Glenn.]

Couldn't agree more with the OP and severel posts since. I was talking to Jess last night about this observation I had made about him. He's so uncomfortable to watch and I hope Kimberley is smarter and sees it before too much damage is done. I've seen firsthand what emotional blackmail/abuse does to someone and it isn't pretty.