[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Dollface

How do you know it's painless?

My brother went to a milking farm for a school trip and he came home quite upset because of how the animals were treated. There were lots of them in tiny pens and a lot of their water bowls were empty.

I still stand by what i say, the only people i have respect for are vegans, i wish i had it in me to become one.

If it hurt cows would show signs of distress - not the behaviour they actually portray such as lining up to be milked. They are there for a few hours each day if that.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Vegetarians are just hypocrites. They still eat milk, eggs, etc. which are products of animals, animals most likely kept in cages.
The only people i have respect for are vegans.

Well we 'veggies' are trying, I am veggie,and try my very best just to eat free range eggs etc,but it is hard I have the upmost respect for anyone who at least tries to give it up,but people are already told what they can say or not say,we shouldn't be told what to eat,we all know what happens and it's peoples choice to choose.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

If it hurt cows would show signs of distress - not the behaviour they actually portray such as lining up to be milked. They are there for a few hours each day if that.

Well i hope you're right

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

If it hurt cows would show signs of distress - not the behaviour they actually portray such as lining up to be milked. They are there for a few hours each day if that.

I would think it's quite a relief

[Tom4784]

One form of slaughter is hardly better than any other. The whole stunning aspect of execution is more for our conscience than the animals, if we cared that much about their welfare then we wouldn't eat them in the first place.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

One form of slaughter is hardly better than any other. The whole stunning aspect of execution is more for our conscience than the animals, if we cared that much about their welfare then we wouldn't eat them in the first place.

This is true - and the sad part is sometimes the stunning isn't even effective. In class we watched a video of the full slaughter process for turkeys and they are stunned and are checked twice to make sure they aren't concious - some even slip through and are then boiled alive/beheaded.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well we 'veggies' are trying, I am veggie,and try my very best just to eat free range eggs etc,but it is hard I have the upmost respect for anyone who at least tries to give it up,but people are already told what they can say or not say,we shouldn't be told what to eat,we all know what happens and it's peoples choice to choose.

I agree but i bloody hate it when people say only vegetarians should get to have a say about the meat industry.

[Vicky.]

I eat meat and enjoy it, and I don't plan to stop anytime soon. I don't think this means I can't find the act of making damn sure the animal feels the pain as its being killed disgusting

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I agree but i bloody hate it when people say only vegetarians should get to have a say about the meat industry.

One side doesn't have more of a right to an opinion on the matter, there's pros and cons for everything.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I agree but i bloody hate it when people say only vegetarians should get to have a say about the meat industry.

I think it's hypercritical but that's just my opinion.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I eat meat and enjoy it, and I don't plan to stop anytime soon. I don't think this means I can't find the act of making damn sure the animal feels the pain as its being killed disgusting

Well said , all my family eat meat,I cant not give it them because I don't eat it,I just wish that humans could be trusted to make sure the animals feel the least amount of pain and stress , unfortunately some degenerates seem to get a buzz from hurting and teasing them before they are slaughtered,those people are scum.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well said , all my family eat meat,I cant not give it them because I don't eat it,I just wish that humans could be trusted to make sure the animals feel the least amount of pain and stress , unfortunately some degenerates seem to get a buzz from hurting and teasing them before they are slaughtered,those people are scum.

They are indeed Kazanne.

[Toy Soldier]

Fastest, most painless and most efficient way to kill is to cut the carotid artery. Pure and simple. No stunning, no fancy pants arsing around, one cut, done.

Cutting the carotid artery causes an instantaneous drop in blood pressure to the brain. This knocks an animal out cold, instantly, we're talking a fraction of a second. The animal then bleeds out and the heart stops in under a minute. They never feel a thing or even see it coming if it's done right.

Stunning before a kill is actually more likely to cause distress as there is more likely to be some retained consciousness, or multiple attempts might be required if it's not done properly.

Let's take religion totally out of the equation. Forget that it's about kosher / halal, whatever. A properly executed slit throat is simply the correct way to painlessly slaughter any animal.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

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Killing the animal is "barbaric" either way. Lol at thinking Stunnig and killing it is "Oh Ok". I'm no vegetarian and I eat meat and unless you are a vegetarian then you aren't in any place to deem how ethical killing animals for meat is really.

[Ninastar]

we should just kill humans instead tbh

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

If it hurt cows would show signs of distress - not the behaviour they actually portray such as lining up to be milked. They are there for a few hours each day if that.

They are given antibiotics to counter the infections they endure due to the excessive milking the hormones given cause them.
It's one reasons we are becoming resistant to antibiotics too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...lass-milk.html

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

If you were really concerned then you'd be vegetarian, that is the truth. Halal or not it is still barbaric in ways and putting all the blame on halal is closet islamophobia.

I'm anything but islamophobic but I'm up for joining any campaign that will help put an end to religious slaughter without previously stunning the animal.

I do know that both Halal and Kosher chickens have to be stunned but religious chicken abattoirs have been known to turn down the voltage, which means the poor bird often comes round before having its throat cut.

[T*]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Vegetarians are just hypocrites. They still eat milk, eggs, etc. which are products of animals, animals most likely kept in cages.
The only people i have respect for are vegans.

my mums a vegetarian
we only eat free range stuff

[InOne]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

If you were really concerned then you'd be vegetarian, that is the truth. Halal or not it is still barbaric in ways and putting all the blame on halal is closet islamophobia.

You're not making any sense and completely deflecting from any sort of point. Try less buzz words next time.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Chaos

we should just kill humans instead tbh

[DemolitionRed]

I know an organic butcher who raises his own cattle. He told me, if beef is very red in colour, it means the animal was very fearful just before it died. Beef should be pink not red but unfortunately consumers prefer red beef.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I know an organic butcher who raises his own cattle. He told me, if beef is very red in colour, it means the animal was very fearful just before it died. Beef should be pink not red but unfortunately consumers prefer red beef.

and what is the science behind that claim?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Chaos

we should just kill humans instead tbh

Yeah! Livia was just telling us all about "long pig" a few days ago.

Apparently human meat is so full of toxins that eating much of it will make you really ill, though.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah! Livia was just telling us all about "long pig" a few days ago.

Apparently human meat is so full of toxins that eating much of it will make you really ill, though.

Who was saying that humans are the closest to pork?.... hmmmmm?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and what is the science behind that claim?

Because if alarmed they will be in "fight or flight" mode resulting in more blood being in the muscle tissue that gets sliced n diced to make yummy yummy steak... One would assume.