[arista]

Not a big Deal
as he was starting out.
Then wants to jump ship


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...mike-whitehead

[MTVN]

The Tories had apparently already sacked him and Alan Johnson is never going to lose that seat anyway so not much to see here, "hammer blow" my arse

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Tories had apparently already sacked him and Alan Johnson is never going to lose that seat anyway so not much to see here, "hammer blow" my arse

Yes Who the Feck is he

[joeysteele]

I wouldn't see this as a hammer blow but I really do hate this when people accept the candidacy for a seat,are supported by their party, no matter which one it is, then do this.

These are the sort of people who should really think, should they ever really be in politics,how can you right up to an election being called, go through the process of being elected to represent a party, get chosen,have their full backing and then switch with any credibility.
It shows no level of loyalty whatsoever,therefore such people, I for one, would view with geat suspicion as to whether they could ever be trusted as to their word.
After wasting loads of party workers and members time in the process.

[kirklancaster]

It may not be a 'hammer blow', but it won't do Dave's cause much good either, because a lot of people do not really read beyond a headline.

[smudgie]

Alan Johnson would make a great Labour leader.


The other fella..whatsisname who jumped ship will be no loss to the Tories.
UKIP are welcome to him I reckon.
It will be interesting to see who else jumps.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Alan Johnson would make a great Labour leader.


The other fella..whatsisname who jumped ship will be no loss to the Tories.
UKIP are welcome to him I reckon.
It will be interesting to see who else jumps.

Personally I want Diane Abbott to lead Labour.

[Livia]

Why not Diane Abbott? She's got about as much respect as Miliband.

I particularly liked her passion when it came to schools... insisting that grammar schools were elitist should be no more and that everyone should have a state education... while sending her own children to private school.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why not Diane Abbott? She's got about as much respect as Miliband.

I particularly liked her passion when it came to schools... insisting that grammar schools were elitist should be no more and that everyone should have a state education... while sending her own children to private school.

Yes that is one of the only things I do not agree with her on. I am not a Labour supporter because it is becoming too centrist for me, that's why I would want her to move it back to the left.

[Nedusa]

Every defection helps..... Chips away a little more and the headline alone is worth it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Personally I want Diane Abbott to lead Labour.

Seriously,that is interesting, she won't ever do so but she does have convictions on many things.
The sad thing is Josh, she could never win an election or even come close to if she were leader.
The media the way they are now towards Ed Milband would be even worse gunning for her as a leader.

I wish Ed Miliband had showed the courage to move to the left more because I really believe that is what the economy and the UK needs as a whole now.
Things have gone way too far the other way after the Tony Blair years and now this last 5 years of this shower.

I don't disagree with Diane on everything but I do feel her day is gone,it may need someone like her in the future to really shake things up to really bring full justice, fairness and compassion back to policy making.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Every defection helps..... Chips away a little more and the headline alone is worth it.

All perfectly true.

[MTVN]

Worth it to show how desperate and cynical Ukip are that they are trumpeting the 'defection' of a sacked Tory competing for a Labour safe seat as some massive hammer blow, what a fool Farage is

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why not Diane Abbott? She's got about as much respect as Miliband.

I particularly liked her passion when it came to schools... insisting that grammar schools were elitist should be no more and that everyone should have a state education... while sending her own children to private school.

But that is part of the left ethos; "Don't 'HIGHER' the 'BRIDGE' 'LOWER' the 'WATER'.

Hypocrisy is another part.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why not Diane Abbott? She's got about as much respect as Miliband.

I particularly liked her passion when it came to schools... insisting that grammar schools were elitist should be no more and that everyone should have a state education... while sending her own children to private school.

Considering the state of state education I'm all for keeping grammar schools.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But that is part of the left ethos; "Don't 'HIGHER' the 'BRIDGE' 'LOWER' the 'WATER'.

Hypocrisy is another part.

Well said Kirk

[Kizzy]

Rats leaving the sinking ship.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Rats leaving the sinking ship.

Some rats went from Labour
to UKIP


Leaving Your Sinking Ship

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Some rats went from Labour
to UKIP


Leaving Your Sinking Ship

No MPs have left labour despite the predictions one or more would, Labour hasn't lost any by-elections either due to defections to UKIP.

I don't know how you can call Labour a sinking ship really.
Since it is only Labour and UKIP of the wholly national UK parties that are at present in polling,having a rise in voting intentions since 2010, as opposed to a fall in voting intentions for the Conservatives and Lib Dems, that doesn't sound much like sinking to me when they are in fact up.

[MTVN]

Looks like Carswell now is regretting defecting to Ukip, he is actually a comparatively moderate and sensible voice who Farage should be fawning over but it instead looks like he is alienating him. All is not well in the Ukip camp however much they trumpet about non-defections like this

[the truth]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Alan Johnson would make a great Labour leader.


The other fella..whatsisname who jumped ship will be no loss to the Tories.
UKIP are welcome to him I reckon.
It will be interesting to see who else jumps.

would he hell....he was part of the massive cover ups for the endless nhs failures and cover ups where thousands of innocents were neglected and allowed to die

[empire]

I think these defections, tell me that there are deep troubles, in the main two parties, nigel farage said that there will be another six defections from the cons, and a few from labour, aswell,

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Alan Johnson would make a great Labour leader.


The other fella..whatsisname who jumped ship will be no loss to the Tories.
UKIP are welcome to him I reckon.
It will be interesting to see who else jumps.

He would have done,he is a decent guy and would have been a really good leader given the chance.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Personally I want Diane Abbott to lead Labour.

You cannot be serious !!

Diane Abbott couldn't lead a blind dog

[LeatherTrumpet]

I would love that hypocrite Abbot to lead labour

She is an oaf