[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Barbarians.

No Dezzy
its a Great Nation

Respect Their Laws

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a different situation, as different as the comparisons you opposed on another thread today almost, hard drugs fund terrorism, prostitution, child abuse, they are illegal.
The traffickers are a link in the chain then it's kudos to their govt for taking the initiative to break that chain. Will this be enough of a deterrent to prevent any more attempt to smuggle drugs? I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Helen 28

I know alcohol is a big killer far worse than drugs but I also think if all drugs were legal like booze the death rate would rocket.

The difference between the 2 is by law we can do something about drugs, because we can't stop boozing doesn't mean we can't cut drug use.

I do agree that drug users with rare exceptions have only themselves to blame but unfortunately their habit often kills others as well.

Fair points, I suppose the point I was trying to make is just that these traffickers aren't personally killing anyone so even in an eye for an eye type justice system this seems wrong

[Helen 28]

This thread is really about the death penalty, some like it some don't.

Doubt that will ever change.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It's the ULTIMATE deterrent for those executed in that it definitely deters them from repeating the crime.

but not others.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

This thread is really about the death penalty, some like it some don't.

Doubt that will ever change.

mmm, I'm not 100% opposed to it when you have people like say that Polish man who raped and murdered that 9 year old girl in France, where there's DNA evidence and he actually confessed to it as well

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

but not others.

No - not those who let greed so cloud their judgement that value making 'easy money' more than they value their lives.

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm, I'm not 100% opposed to it when you have people like say that Polish man who raped and murdered that 9 year old girl in France, where there's DNA evidence and he actually confessed to it as well

That was an horrific crime and I agree.

I have a theory and it's this :

A criminal who is being given a very long sentence in court could be asked on the day if he rather be executed.
He or she could be given a time to think about it and I firmly believe that someone faced with 30 odd years would often rather have it ended quickly.

Nobody could say they were executed by mistake, seems a good idea to me although we know it will never happen.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

That was an horrific crime and I agree.

I have a theory and it's this :

A criminal who is being given a very long sentence in court could be asked on the day if he rather be executed.
He or she could be given a time to think about it and I firmly believe that someone faced with 30 odd years would often rather have it ended quickly.

Nobody could say they were executed by mistake, seems a good idea to me although we know it will never happen.

Well, my thinking behind cases like that one I just mentioned is more protecting other people by executing him rather then getting vengeance. I mean life never actually seems to mean life so monsters like that man should be taken out to protect people more than anything else. Yours is an interesting idea though

[bitontheslide]

Not wishing to seem harsh, but if the 2 men hadn't been caught, they would have carried on organising mules to do their dirty work for them for years to come. When faced with the prospect of the death penalty, anyone will look to the rehabilitation card if they think its their last possible prospect of avoiding the firing squad.

The penalty is harsh, no disputing that, but Indonesia need to do something to stamp the problem out.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

That was an horrific crime and I agree.

I have a theory and it's this :

A criminal who is being given a very long sentence in court could be asked on the day if he rather be executed.
He or she could be given a time to think about it and I firmly believe that someone faced with 30 odd years would often rather have it ended quickly.

Nobody could say they were executed by mistake, seems a good idea to me although we know it will never happen.

..one thing with that though is that there are sometimes cases where people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit because of their mental state...there was one quite recently in America I believe, he wasn't executed but spent most of his life in prison when he was indeed innocent but confessed because of his mental health at the time....

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..one thing with that though is that there are sometimes cases where people have confessed to crimes they didn't commit because of their mental state...there was one quite recently in America I believe, he wasn't executed but spent most of his life in prison when he was indeed innocent but confessed because of his mental health at the time....

Quite true, but I'm sure that mental health professionals would be able to sort them out and they could be denied the choice.
The amount of prisoners you're talking about is tiny anyway.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

Quite true, but I'm sure that mental health professionals would be able to sort them out and they could be denied the choice.
The amount of prisoners you're talking about is tiny anyway.

..but mental health professionals didn't do that in this case because he spent many years in prison so then it would be, how long would a convicted criminal be in prison before the choice was offered/how long until they knew for sure...and however long that was, it would still be left open for being wrong...and really only a tiny percentage would be wrong, surely because basically an innocent person would have been assisted suicide...I just think we can't think ..oh well, there might be a few mistakes but whatever, type thing...

[Livia]

If you carry drugs in a country that carries the death penalty for drugs crimes, then you run the risk of being executed. If you are unaware of the consequences of carrying drugs into certain countries then you have no business having a passport.

I can't get emotional about these people being executed when I think of how many people die every day through taking drugs.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you carry drugs in a country that carries the death penalty for drugs crimes, then you run the risk of being executed. If you are unaware of the consequences of carrying drugs into certain countries then you have no business having a passport.

I can't get emotional about these people being executed when I think of how many people die every day through taking drugs.