[the truth]

Across Europe , across the UK and across the pond ?

Obama was preaching at the g7 about hoping the UK stays in the EU...Merkel was too....Cameron is pro EU always has been, only the right wing of his party are applying the pressure

labour pro EU
Liberals pro EU
SNP pro EU
plaed pro EU

Its a blanket support all for the EU to carry on in the same direction?

WHY?

Why is there no serious ferocious debate? why are there no dissenting voices? why are there no major leaders coming out in favour of either withdrawing totally or joining the middle range option , where the UK trades as a partner but is not a full EU member?

Is the EU really a tool for the corporations to simply apply blanket rules across the whole continent thus making it infinitely easier for corporations to totally take over? with so many rules and regulations that strangle small businesses everywhere forcing so many, out of business thus meaning far less competition entering the market of these monopolies? If you've been in business you may have empathy for this point of view

YES....Hell yes ...imho

well that's my opinion

or is the EU growth and the 587 page constitution (Americas is 13 pages) keeping the peace and stability in Europe as they claim? the euro is it a good thing for these nations? will the likes of Greece Portugal Italy spain Iceland recover because of the EU.....is it right to have 1 german chancellor controlling 30 odd European countries? how can she be fair when shes running the economy of her own country and the entire Europe at the same time?


whats your opinion?

[bots]

Because although the EU has flaws, its better for neighbours to integrate, share values and prosper as a group rather than be at war with each other.

There is a reason there is only 1 extremist party supporting the UK exit from europe. They thrive on division and segregation. Take joy in isolating those that are not of their own stock.

This same party would take us to war just because other countries dare to think differently. There is no place for extremism in the UK and there never will be.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Because although the EU has flaws, its better for neighbours to integrate, share values and prosper as a group rather than be at war with each other.

There is a reason there is only 1 extremist party supporting the UK exit from europe. They thrive on division and segregation. Take joy in isolating those that are not of their own stock.

This same party would take us to war just because other countries dare to think differently. There is no place for extremism in the UK and there never will be.

[Toy Soldier]

Because they are major political parties, and therefore majorly involved in actively running countries, and therefore aware that leaving the EU would be complete and utter economic madness. Only the Kippers find this hard to accept, and that's because their agenda is clouded by prejudice. Basically.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Because although the EU has flaws, its better for neighbours to integrate, share values and prosper as a group rather than be at war with each other.

There is a reason there is only 1 extremist party supporting the UK exit from europe. They thrive on division and segregation. Take joy in isolating those that are not of their own stock.

This same party would take us to war just because other countries dare to think differently. There is no place for extremism in the UK and there never will be.

This says it all for me too.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because they are major political parties, and therefore majorly involved in actively running countries, and therefore aware that leaving the EU would be complete and utter economic madness. Only the Kippers find this hard to accept, and that's because their agenda is clouded by prejudice. Basically.

what about the fact so many countries are bankrupt? unemployment rate is highest ever and over 50% for youth unemployment across 4 major countries and over 40% in Italy? have you been in business , are you aware of the enormity of legislation putting so many companies , usually small companies out of business? have you read the 587 page constitution? if not how can you be so certain the EU and its constitution is the best way forward? isn't the current EU complete and utter economic madness? with so many bankrupt nations, record levels of debt, no accounts handed in for a decade, record wages and record costs, highest unemployment ever, austerity riots, a chancellor who clearly has vested interests so should only have 1 job or the other as she has conflicting interests...the UK under the tories whom you hate created more jobs than the entire European union put together in the past 5 years? don't you think economically that tells you the EU in its current form is a busted flush? what about the third way where we are part of the trading block but not involved in the rule making and would simply be governed by british law instead?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

what about the fact so many countries are bankrupt? unemployment rate is highest ever and over 50% for youth unemployment across 4 major countries and over 40% in Italy? have you been in business , are you aware of the enormity of legislation putting so many companies , usually small companies out of business? have you read the 587 page constitution? if not how can you be so certain the EU and its constitution is the best way forward? isn't the current EU complete and utter economic madness? with so many bankrupt nations, record levels of debt, no accounts handed in for a decade, record wages and record costs, highest unemployment ever, austerity riots, a chancellor who clearly has vested interests so should only have 1 job or the other as she has conflicting interests...the UK under the tories whom you hate created more jobs than the entire European union put together in the past 5 years? don't you think economically that tells you the EU in its current form is a busted flush? what about the third way where we are part of the trading block but not involved in the rule making and would simply be governed by british law instead?

The EU is a bit of a mess, yeah. Mad as a sack of kittens. And perhaps it should never have been created in the first place, or rather, when it was created it should have been a much more simple set of agreements and trade principles.

However, that boat has sailed, and now that we ARE part of it, leaving it would be an absolute disaster. You can't just say "leave" and then it be as if the EU doesn't exist - it will still exist - only with the UK on the outside - and the economy would plummet like a rock.

[MTVN]

Looks here like the Germans can't understand why we are so anti-EU, there is a danger of us overplaying our hand and thinking we get more screwed by the EU than we actually do

https://www.facebook.com/bbcdailyand...9063685110488/

[empire]

because they get a huge bag of money, too feed their rich backgrounds,

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The EU is a bit of a mess, yeah. Mad as a sack of kittens. And perhaps it should never have been created in the first place, or rather, when it was created it should have been a much more simple set of agreements and trade principles.

However, that boat has sailed, and now that we ARE part of it, leaving it would be an absolute disaster. You can't just say "leave" and then it be as if the EU doesn't exist - it will still exist - only with the UK on the outside - and the economy would plummet like a rock.

Youre ignoring all my other points? why? and youre ignoring the option of the 3rd way just remaining a trading partner and not a full member

[MTVN]

Ukippers love to talk about countries like Norway and Switzerland which have free trade with Europe but are not in the EU. Norway only have that deal though because they agree to freedom of movement which is basically Ukip's main problem with the EU. And Switzerland's relationship is very complex and the product of years of differing treaties which isn't actually that sustainable and certainly not easy to replicate. Us leaving the EU would not be like flicking a switch and becoming an independent nation overnight maintaining all the trading benefits with none of the annoying political stuff. Look how hard Cameron is finding it to even win a few concessions for the UK - I'll be amazed if he achieves any sort of radical renegotiation in our relationship. If it's that hard for one of the EU's main players to extract concessions from within the EU then why do people think a non-EU country would be able to have its whole relationship with the EU on its own terms?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ukippers love to talk about countries like Norway and Switzerland which have free trade with Europe but are not in the EU. Norway only have that deal though because they agree to freedom of movement which is basically Ukip's main problem with the EU. And Switzerland's relationship is very complex and the product of years of differing treaties which isn't actually that sustainable and certainly not easy to replicate. Us leaving the EU would not be like flicking a switch and becoming an independent nation overnight maintaining all the trading benefits with none of the annoying political stuff. Look how hard Cameron is finding it to even win a few concessions for the UK - I'll be amazed if he achieves any sort of radical renegotiation in our relationship. If it's that hard for one of the EU's main players to extract concessions from within the EU then why do people think a non-EU country would be able to have its whole relationship with the EU on its own terms?

The irony is the EU will collapse eventually anyway, regardless of referendums because its insanely anti economic and totally elitist and serving the corporate giants....furthermore the whole refugee crisis is caused by the EU and the US anyways 1) with endless bombing in the middle east and 2) the EU rapes the African coastline and 3) the EU is a cartel which stops the Africans and middle east trading, thus keeping them even more impoverished....we give a pittance of foreign aid to cover this up

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

Youre ignoring all my other points? why? and youre ignoring the option of the 3rd way just remaining a trading partner and not a full member

Because it's a binary question. Are we better off in or out? We are better off in. Therefore, the main leaders are pro-EU. The other points about how bad it is or isn't are largely moot? Leaving the EU would be a disaster... even if being in the EU is bad. Like... having cancer, that's bad. No one would ever try to claim that it isn't bad. But if you've got cancer and you're about to be hit by a speeding train... the cancer, and how bad it is or isn't, is completely and utterly irrelevant.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because it's a binary question. Are we better off in or out? We are better off in. Therefore, the main leaders are pro-EU. The other points about how bad it is or isn't are largely moot? Leaving the EU would be a disaster... even if being in the EU is bad. Like... having cancer, that's bad. No one would ever try to claim that it isn't bad. But if you've got cancer and you're about to be hit by a speeding train... the cancer, and how bad it is or isn't, is completely and utterly irrelevant.

for the 4th time what about the 3rd option? in as a trading partner but now a full member making all the rules , thus simply trading but being ruled by british laws?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

for the 4th time what about the 3rd option? in as a trading partner but now a full member making all the rules , thus simply trading but being ruled by british laws?

Trade with EU member states would be absolutely decimated though. It's not as simple as the UK just demanding; well we'll just opt out but still trade in the same way. You can't just opt out of the bad parts of being an EU member state and choose to keep the good?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Trade with EU member states would be absolutely decimated though. It's not as simple as the UK just demanding; well we'll just opt out but still trade in the same way. You can't just opt out of the bad parts of being an EU member state and choose to keep the good?

yes you can , there is a 3rd option, some nations have it already, European leaders have said that's on the table, its not a case of anyone demanding

[Scarlett.]

Basically, anti-EU people want all the benefits of the EU, with non of the negatives.

Bad news, that isn't how the world works.

[the truth]

SADLY ITS THE FANS OF NEW LABOUR WHO WANT THEIR CAKE AND EAT IT...they want European union and its disastrous economies , endless bankrupt countries world record unemployment waste corruption, ack of accounts and accountability and austerity riots....but they also want an end to austerity too? these new labour fans on here and everywhere else are in fantasy land where money grows on trees.....theirs is the road to hell. the EU will of course collapse regardless of referendums and the truth will out.

[empire]

britain has gained nothing, being in the eu, but paying off debts of other countries, why the hell are we paying welfare for eastern european countries, should us brits have no jobs or homes, and go hungry, stay in the eu for the sake of it, no, the eu won't last for another ten years, we are told that we have to work to 70, and your pensions that you save up will go to the eu, so you can thank the eu for that,

[the truth]

the EU serves the elite corporations , it will finish most small businesses with its mass of expensive regulations and red tape, it keeps the masses poor, it ensures 1000s more politicians are ruling us and theres 1000s more laws controlling and dictating our every move and takes away yet more civil liberties....and best of all it makes us so powerless inactive and spiritually broken, it makes us believe we are incapable of thinking or controlling our own affairs without it

NOW THATS ALMOST WORD FOR WORD GEORGE ORWELL BIG BROTHER