[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Unless it's something that you yourself believe in, of course. Then everyone else must accept it as right even if they think it's stupid. If hundreds of thousands of people believe something and you think it's stupid, you don't have the right to override their feelings with yours.

People of other cultures have foibles, customs and idiosyncrasies and if you want to travel to their country and experience them, then be respectful of those people. If not, stay at home.

Neh, I accept that people can have different beliefs but there surely has to be a line... And the idea that taking naked selfies can cause earthquakes leaves that line a speck in the distance. C'mon.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Neh, I accept that people can have different beliefs but there surely has to be a line... And the idea that taking naked selfies can cause earthquakes leaves that line a speck in the distance. C'mon.

I'm not asking you to believe it, I don't believe it myself. But if they believe it, hey, it's their country... and that girl is a guest.

[Vicky.]

Idiot. You have to respect peoples beliefs and way of life really when you visit their country. When I went to Tunisia is was sweltering hot but the day we ventured out of the resort to go to the markets I had to cover up as walking around in shorts and stuff is seen as really disrespectful :S

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not asking you to believe it, I don't believe it myself. But if they believe it, hey, it's their country... and that girl is a guest.

Right but if a guest disrespected my house I'd ask them to leave and not to come back! I wouldn't lock them in a room or try to harm them...

Hold on a minute... Last I heard, Kirk was headed for your house to check you were OK. I haven't seen him around for a while...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Right but if a guest disrespected my house I'd ask them to leave and not to come back! I wouldn't lock them in a room or try to harm them...

Hold on a minute... Last I heard, Kirk was headed for your house to check you were OK. I haven't seen him around for a while...

He's in my cellar. He's fine. Don't worry about him....

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

He's in my cellar. He's fine. Don't worry about him....

Are you aging him like wine?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you aging him like wine?

Kind of... I've hung him like venison. He likes it.

[JoshBB]

Like, fully naked? Honestly you can't expect not to get in trouble... I don't agree with this whole 'always abide by the countrys rules' principle though, especially if the government is corrupt/fascist eg. in Nazi Germany.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Kind of... I've hung him like venison. He likes it.

How much is he paying for this?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How much is he paying for this?

I don't discuss money on the Internet TS. PM me if you want a quote.

[Mokka]

Livia's "Cellar"

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

Livia's "Cellar"

Too garish... Also, is that carpet? Livia's cellar is Dark. So, so dark. And a cold stone floor; cold as the week old corpse in the corner.

[arista]

The Group also Pissed all over the mountain
No respect.

The Police Boss on Ch4HDNews
just said he will Catch the other 6 who also went naked.

[arista]

Get In Jail

You know your are Guilty of this Crime
as you rushed to the Airport - like a Fool
trying to escape.


No mercy for You

[Ammi]

...just silly and disrespectful but I'm sure that she'll be very respectful of different cultures in the future when she's travelling, probably saying that more religion/culture should be taught in schools, not less of it..(I'm joking TS..)...


...anyway, I thought a large part of things like Buddhism are forgiveness, kindness, compassion, joy and calm/balance so maybe those could be applied to her as well with this...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just silly and disrespectful but I'm sure that she'll be very respectful of different cultures in the future when she's travelling, probably saying that more religion/culture should be taught in schools, not less of it..(I'm joking TS..)...


...anyway, I thought a large part of things like Buddhism are forgiveness, kindness, compassion, joy and calm/balance so maybe those could be applied to her as well with this...

No Ammi
its a Muslim Nation

[Will.]

Aaron Frew teas

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

No Ammi
its a Muslim Nation

..it's not all Muslim Arista, Buddhism is the second largest religion there and multi-culture is very much promoted there as well, especially with young people.. she was dumb most certainly for doing what she did..and maybe through 'ignorance'..?.. but I doubt she'll do anything like that again...anyway the earthquake has already happened, the Gods have spoken and putting her in prison won't change that so maybe a little 'Buddha Law' as well if they want to encourage people to visit their beautiful country...

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again though it seems like people can't separate a feeling of "that was stupid / that is wrong" and "PUT THEM IN JAIL!!11!1!".

No one is arguing that it was a good idea or that they aren't idiots. No one is arguing against the fact that they disrespected local culture and it's wrong to do so, or that they would be quite justified in saying "please never darken our doorstep again". All of that is totally valid. They're a bunch of young people who did something stupid, arrogant and naive and I could even bring myself to agree with Livia that when they get home, they should have their passports locked away until they can be trusted not to be twats.

All fine.

Jailing them for angering fairies and invoking the wrath of some non-existant yet apparently exceptionally moody bastard god... essentially accusing them of being guilty of causing a number of deaths... is not fine. It's ****ing nonsense, and just because it's in a country that still widely believes in said ****ing nonsense, does not make it acceptable.

Well apparently the guide they were with was telling them not to strip off and actually pleading with them not to - but being Tory kids they told him to go to hell - so they deserve everything they get - bastard spoiled rich kids with no morals or thought for other people. -Bunch of turds

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it's not all Muslim Arista, Buddhism is the second largest religion there and multi-culture is very much promoted there as well, especially with young people.. she was dumb most certainly for doing what she did..and maybe through 'ignorance'..?.. but I doubt she'll do anything like that again...anyway the earthquake has already happened, the Gods have spoken and putting her in prison won't change that so maybe a little 'Buddha Law' as well if they want to encourage people to visit their beautiful country...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia

Sure Ammi
But its under Muslim Control

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia

...is this wiki wars.....that's still almost 40% of the population who aren't plus a huge tourist industry of many religions...I'm not saying that it wasn't a disrespectful and dumb thing to do but I can't see any benefit or 'putting right' of it by putting her in prison...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it's not all Muslim Arista, Buddhism is the second largest religion there and multi-culture is very much promoted there as well, especially with young people.. she was dumb most certainly for doing what she did..and maybe through 'ignorance'..?.. but I doubt she'll do anything like that again...anyway the earthquake has already happened, the Gods have spoken and putting her in prison won't change that so maybe a little 'Buddha Law' as well if they want to encourage people to visit their beautiful country...

That's a good point actually, too harsh a punishment for this will have a hige impact on tourism in the country, surely.

Also surprised this Mountain God lark has been allowed to go so public if it is indeed a country with a Muslim government and large Muslim population. Allah being the "One True God" is a pretty huge deal in Islam, and worshipping or putting stock in any false deity (for example, mountain gods...) is really not part of the deal.

[Kazanne]

I just don't see why she needed to do it anyway,does she have a short memory or something.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's a good point actually, too harsh a punishment for this will have a hige impact on tourism in the country, surely.

Also surprised this Mountain God lark has been allowed to go so public if it is indeed a country with a Muslim government and large Muslim population. Allah being the "One True God" is a pretty huge deal in Islam, and worshipping or putting stock in any false deity (for example, mountain gods...) is really not part of the deal.

Why would a Muslim country be incapable of having other faiths within it? Malaysia has always had a huge range of beliefs and that is particularly going to be the case in remote regions like this on Borneo

[arista]