[just thinkin]

Her brains must be tangled in those sluglike lips...got the whole washing conversation arseways...idiot

[andybigbro]

Yeah she hasn't grasped that converstaion. In glad Chloe put her bit in

[waterhog]

not seen it yet but that helen would never surprise me.

[MrWong]

She's either as thick as pig **** or she's an evil manipulative ****.

Could be both I guess.

[jennyjuniper]

It's true that Helen got the conversation mixed up, but what I wanted to know was WHY did Harry bring that up in the original conversation when they were sitting on the sofa while Simon was in the diary room. Was it to make Simon look bad? I think so. If Marc and the others hadn't gone into the house, sure as eggs is eggs, Simon would have been the next one nominated, probably with Sam as well.

[just thinkin]

It is a bit odd that a man nearly fifty cant wash his clothes..

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

It is a bit odd that a man nearly fifty cant wash his clothes..

He lives at home with Mummy still. Simon's a disgrace for a man or woman. He's acting all the way - false tears, feigned love for Marc........a right disgrace as a modern person.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Angelika

He lives at home with Mummy still. Simon's a disgrace for a man or woman. He's acting all the way - false tears, feigned love for Marc........a right disgrace as a modern person.

He is PATHETIC....

[Ammi]

...a conversation is talking and listening and Helen has sadly never got the listening bit so all she does is to vocalise, not converse....

[waterhog]

i am a bit confused on this conversation - can we start again ?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by waterhog

i am a bit confused on this conversation - can we start again ?

Helen and Marc heard a conversation wrong (purposely?) and used the wrong info to attack Harry with during nominating and again in the house. It was regarding her washing hm's clothes.

Same old Helen really. She only hears what she wants to hear.

[MissMoneyPenny]

I think that BB should replay the conversation to them all - then watch Helen try to wriggle out of apologising to Harry. Cannot believe the level of bullying that is going on in the house since these "legends" re-entered. Shocking behaviour for adults - just reminds me of the pigs in Animal Farm. I really didn't care one way or the other about Harry until last night, and then I felt uncomfortable watching the level of bullying aimed at her. Also cannot believe that Simon did not verify that he asked her to do his washing - he is absolutely spineless.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Helen and Marc heard a conversation wrong (purposely?) and used the wrong info to attack Harry with during nominating and again in the house. It was regarding her washing hm's clothes.

Same old Helen really. She only hears what she wants to hear.

In a nutshell!

Glad Chloe was there to put her right, Danny was attempting to put her right but Helen just shouted over them, and good on Chloe for shouting the truth!

[the truth]

harry wanted to wash everyones clothes but didn't want to wash simons clothes because hes a man oh and because hes 46?
ignorant mean spirited sexist ageism

end of

[Ellen]

Helen was trying to explain to Danny why she didnt think it was fair the way Harry treated simon. It was the fact Harry bitched about Simon when he had gone into the DR to all the others about him been 47 and washing his clothes.
They all new in the bunker that Harry was targeting Simon.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Helen was trying to explain to Danny why she didnt think it was fair the way Harry treated simon. It was the fact Harry bitched about Simon when he had gone into the DR to all the others about him been 47 and washing his clothes.
They all new in the bunker that Harry was targeting Simon.

exactly and Helen was right...plus it was equally disgusting that no one had the backbone to defend simon and fight for the alienated underdog...jack as always put the boot in. bunch of cowardly sheep.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Helen was trying to explain to Danny why she didnt think it was fair the way Harry treated simon. It was the fact Harry bitched about Simon when he had gone into the DR to all the others about him been 46 and washing his clothes.
They all knew in the bunker that Harry was targeting Simon.

This is how I saw it.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by the truth

harry wanted to wash everyones clothes but didn't want to wash simons clothes because hes a man oh and because hes 46?
ignorant mean spirited sexist ageism

end of

That didn't happen. Rewatching the episode might help.

Though I get the feeling that you'd rather remain ignorant to the facts so you can carry on spouting nonsense.

[Pink Pegasus]

If I recall correctly it was actually Brian who said "see that's how she's being manipulative/manipulating the others" when they watched Harry say that she didn't mind washing everyone's clothes.

This then seemed to be used as part of the nomination reason that Harry didn't mind doing the other's clothes because they were popular but didn't want to do Simon's because he wasn't popular. I'm 99% sure Brian was the first to say that in the bunker as they watched but I may re-watch to confirm.

I agree there is a bit of a mixup going on though about what order things happened. It seems Simon did ask Harry to do his clothes before she offered to do everybody else's and that she didn't refuse him either but she did go on to complain about it when he was in the diary room so it looked to the others that he was the only one she had a problem with doing the clothes for. I think her main problem though was that she felt Simon had an expectation of her to just do them as she said he had them laid out in sorted piles ready before he asked and this seemed to irk her most.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Pink Pegasus

It seems Simon did ask Harry to do his clothes before she offered to do everybody else's and that she didn't refuse him either but she did go on to complain about it when he was in the diary room so it looked to the others that he was the only one she had a problem with doing the clothes for.

For someone who prides herself on telling it like it is, why didn't she politely refuse by saying "I'm sorry, but i've got my own to do" instead of agreeing to it and then going in the lounge to moan to the others when his back was turned? Simon (like the others) should be doing their own washing. He shouldn't have asked the mardy cow. All that did was give her an opportunity to have yet another go at him.

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

For someone who prides herself on telling it like it is, why didn't she politely refuse by saying "I'm sorry, but i've got my own to do" instead of agreeing to it and then going in the lounge to moan to the others? Simon (like the others) should be doing their own washing. He shouldn't have asked the mardy cow. All that did was give her an opportunity to have yet another go at him.

I agree with you that she should just not have done it at all if she was only going to complain about it later. She handled it badly by doing it but then bitching about it to the sofa full of housemates when he was in the diary room. This is what probably most annoyed the bunker housemates because it seemed they were all having a bitching session/ganging up on Simon when he wasn't there. I don't know if she set out to be manipulative by telling the others all about this or if she was just having a regular bitch that they all have, but I can see why it came across bad. A lot of them seem to sit and bitch about Simon in there though.