[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Erase its one and only remaining companion show?

Talking about killing the franchise further.

Says the person who thinks its dead already anyway.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

And the amount of countries the world over who supply a 24/7 feed should tell you that it's true.

So other countries providing live feeds = live feed is cheap? Doesn't really work like that. Countries like Canada have a thriving and popular show on their hands. Ours is dead.

It's not even necessarily about the exact cost but having it measured up against how much its used and its performance. If they can't justify the cost with a very small usage then a business is not going to spend in that area.

Very basic stuff.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Says the person who thinks its dead already anyway.

Yes, I do. So?

Pardon me for suggesting that your ideas for improving it will make it worse.

Slitting the throat of a wounded man will not save his life.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So other countries providing live feeds = live feed is cheap?

I think it suggests that the cost of it isn't anything close to what you seem to think it is.

It's not even necessarily about the exact cost but having it measured up against how much its used and its performance. If they can't justify the cost with a very small usage then a business is not going to spend in that area.

Again, the usage varies throughout the day with a 24/7 feed. And the benefits will be felt not in how many people watch it at any given time, but in the higher figures for the HL show as a result of people just being able to get involved to a greater degree which it is now impossible to do. Don't know the HMs, don't care about them. Don't care, you don't watch. The live coverage if it was there from the very first night (which it has never been on Channel 5) would help people with that

Very basic stuff.

It is very basic stuff. I agree. Take away an essential ingredient in a product and the product dies and you go bust.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, I do. So?

Pardon me for suggesting that your ideas for improving it will make it worse.

Scrapping BOTS certainly wouldn't make it worse.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I think it suggests that the cost of it isn't anything close to what you seem to think it is.


Again, the usage varies throughout the day with a 24/7 feed.

I don't know how much it costs so I'm not "thinking" what is is. Other countries having it = they have substantial numbers of their viewers who use it.

Yes, I'm aware about it varying. But the number of visitors/viewers for a potential live feed is very small indeed. Therefore I fail to see why they would go to the trouble of providing such a service for such a minority.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Scrapping BOTS certainly wouldn't make it worse.

So that the programme has NO companion show at all, it would in my eyes.

Now improving BOTS for the better would be a step in the right direction, not eliminating even more of what we've got.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't know how much it costs so I'm not "thinking" what is is.

I think the fact that so many countries have the 24/7 coverage suggests it doesn't cost that much to run.

Yes, I'm aware about it varying. But the number of visitors/viewers for a potential live feed is very small indeed.

Figures? No? Can't provide anything. You never can. Just a quote from Jeff Ford

Therefore I fail to see why they would go to the trouble of providing such a service for such a minority.

Because the show cannot even begin to recover without it. It may not with it. But at this point, to not try it is just silly.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So that the programme has NO companion show at all, it would in my eyes.

Now improving BOTS for the better would be a step in the right direction, not eliminating even more of what we've got.

I would scrap it and bring back a thirty minute BBLB with fewer guests.

[Marsh.]

Figures? No? Can't provide anything.

Coming from the person who's come to the conclusion it's cheap based off other countries having it.

[Marsh.]

As said earlier it's not even the cost, it's whether it's worth the set up for the amount of interest. BB has next to no interest to many people.

But, yeah, life is so simple just get that man to click a button, that magic red button over there. Go on.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Coming from the person who's come to the conclusion it's cheap based off other countries having it.

If every other country can do it there's no reason why this country cannot.

And again, you still are yet to provide any info on the website or the sort of interest there really is in the live feed. You just seem to take it for granted that the people making decisions for this show know what they're doing, which given the state it is in is an amusing idea.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

If every other country can do it there's no reason why this country cannot.

Again, anyone CAN do it. Doesn't mean they will.

I COULD work for free, doesn't mean I'm going to.

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

And again, you still are yet to provide any info on the website or the sort of interest there really is in the live feed. You just seem to take it for granted that the people making decisions for this show know what they're doing, which given the state it is in is an amusing idea.

No, I do not.

I look at the fact that the show is not popular whatsoever so any investment in things like live feed is a waste of time and money. There's barely an audience. That is a fact.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

As said earlier it's not even the cost, it's whether it's worth the set up for the amount of interest. BB has next to no interest to many people.

So you keep saying. And less and less interest as they continue to ignore the requests of the fans. The surest way to run any business into the ground.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

So you keep saying. And less and less interest as they continue to ignore the requests of the fans. The surest way to run any business into the ground.

Yes, because people turned away because of no live feed and not because they're simply bored with Big Brother?

Nobody believes that.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Again, anyone CAN do it. Doesn't mean they will.

What are you on about?

I COULD work for free, doesn't mean I'm going to.

I'm sure the people working on the live coverage in other countries aren't working for free either. And yet they find a way to do it in all these other countries.

No, I do not.

Yes you do.

I look at the fact that the show is not popular whatsoever

Could have been. 2.93 million for the BB13 launch... Could have tried to keep more of them sticking around, but they couldn't.

so any investment in things like live feed is a waste of time. There's barely an audience.

So you keep saying. And the more they ignore the requests of the fans the less of an audience there will be. Good business plan.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, because people turned away because of no live feed and not because they're simply bored with Big Brother?

Turned away because they promised the return of a show they couldn't deliver on. Turned away because it's impossible to get know the people and therefore to care about them. Turned away because having taken away all the immediacy of the show they now rely on desperate stunts that put viewers off. That's the real cost of no live coverage whatsoever. A dead end show.

[Mystic Mock]

If Ch5 brought Live Feed back on the Internet this is the ways that you could get ratings back, plus see the quality improve.

1. Advertise everywhere on billboards and none stop on the TV Channels, and maybe try and get a few Radio Stations, and the Newspapers to promote the hell out of it.

2. Live Feed means not as much scripted TOWIE moments, as long as they don't do a BBCAN and constantly take the Live Feed down that is.

3. No stupid Launch Night twists more than likely as people can just go on the Live Feed service on the Internet and watch the house unfold, Ch5 only do the Launch Night twists so to make sure that an audience sticks around for the next couple of days.

[Marsh.]

I love how all countries are exactly the same with exactly the same circumstances/shows/budgets/viewers/producers/aims etc etc

How simple life is here.

[the_answers]

Get the impression the current format is trying to appeal to many people.
Bit of a twist here, some pysch on the couch there, bit of glam there.

Now I quite like that !
And think it's doing ok (enjoyed the show tonight !).
But maybe (like noms !) problem is, it's sending out mixed messages.

Like tonight we see Cristian unanimously selected as "the one to go" on BOTS.
Even though he pretty much made tonights HL show.

Or there's healthy intellectual panel debate and free opinion on BOTS. (yes there is !)
Mixed in with an audience screaming to get a HM out.

Don't mind some twists as they sometimes provide good fun and entertainment.
But sometimes the twists go too far too.

Some say showmances are killing the show.
Yet the HL focus on them !
As a result HM are more interested in hooking up for airtime to protect themselves.
Then suprise suprise, back to the problem why the show isn't "entertaining" enough.

In all these things there's enough room to attract people from all different walks.
Or alternatively, put them all off !
Even those who enjoy showmances must sometimes get sick of the fumbling under the covers.

While I'm definitely interested in HMs, I've no desire to watch 3 hours live feed with cagy HM giving nothing away just so they can win.
But equally, I've little desire to watch a poorly edited HL show either.

So maybe the potential IS there and it's all about execution rather than any format.
It's frustrating cos it's so close to being a great show. (well it still is in many ways)

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

CBB will be dead within 2 years. The same thing happened with Fame Academy.

Stop telling them to axe the show and argue for them to make a better one.

Big Brother will never improve again.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by the_answers

Get the impression the current format is trying to appeal to many people.
Bit of a twist here, some pysch on the couch there, bit of glam there.

Now I quite like that !
And think it's doing ok (enjoyed the show tonight !).
But maybe (like noms !) problem is, it's sending out mixed messages.

Like tonight we see Cristian unanimously selected as "the one to go" on BOTS.
Even though he pretty much made tonights HL show.

Or there's healthy intellectual panel debate and free opinion on BOTS. (yes there is !)
Mixed in with an audience screaming to get a HM out.

Don't mind some twists as they sometimes provide good fun and entertainment.
But sometimes the twists go too far too.

Some say showmances are killing the show.
Yet the HL focus on them !
As a result HM are more interested in hooking up for airtime to protect themselves.
Then suprise suprise, back to the problem why the show isn't "entertaining" enough.

In all these things there's enough room to attract people from all different walks.
Or alternatively, put them all off !
Even those who enjoy showmances must sometimes get sick of the fumbling under the covers.

While I'm definitely interested in HMs, I've no desire to watch 3 hours live feed with cagy HM giving nothing away just so they can win.
But equally, I've little desire to watch a poorly edited HL show either.

So maybe the potential IS there and it's all about execution rather than any format.
It's frustrating cos it's so close to being a great show. (well it still is in many ways)

Is this a poem?

[Mystic Mock]

The thing is the show is gonna die on this format, Ch5 should at least give a Live Feed Big Brother a chance just to see how it goes, I honestly don't see why that would hurt them so much?

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The thing is the show is gonna die on this format, Ch5 should at least give a Live Feed Big Brother a chance just to see how it goes, I honestly don't see why that would hurt them so much?

I want live feed - its the best

[parmnion]

and this is a fans forum..lol.