[arista]

That was the end on Brian rant
calling Helen "Love."


Then he gets his codger out for Jade



Respect Helen

[Rorkimaru]

Well, he actually kept going a bit and got another "love" in before ending his rant but she's right, it's a bit condescending.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Rorkimaru

Well, he actually kept going a bit and got another "love" in before ending his rant but she's right, it's a bit condescending.

Not if you come from the north, it's just a friendly sort of ammendment to a conversation. Although Brian is from the south judging by his accent.

[Semtex]

He has to pay for that privilege.

You can call her 'love' at her Nail bar, her Nail bar. (massages optional)

[Mick]

I am an oldie and in years gone bye calling women love and men mate was perceived as a friendly and acceptable expression.I think Helen reacted in a negative way because she is not pleased with brian.If one of the other male HMs had used it I don't think she would have taken any notice.

It would be the same if he called marc mate and marc responded by saying I am not your mate.?

This PC stuff is now well OTT imo and causes confusion.

[Northern Monkey]

I always call women love.I am northern though.It's fine round here.Helen was just in a strop.Probs on the blob or summat.

[Nancy.]

Yes, she was right to drag him over the hot coals for that. Very condescending.

[joeysteele]

Some people hate certain words used as to them, love, pet, dear,being examples.
Lovey is another I find loads of people hate.

If she doesn't like the term, she is entitled to tell him to refrain from using it when addressing her.

[just thinkin]

she gets annoyed because somebody calls her 'love'. my goodness, it's a good job marc the bully doesn't start calling her some of the names he called the other women....nah, he's afraid of her, wouldn't dare.....typical bully tactics.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

she gets annoyed because somebody calls her 'love'. my goodness, it's a good job marc the bully doesn't start calling her some of the names he called the other women....nah, he's afraid of her, wouldn't dare.....typical bully tactics.

She didn't have a problem with the actual word, it was the context in how it was used.

If they hadn't been engaged in an argument, she probably wouldn't have said anything.

[joeysteele]

I remember watching TV as a teen with some family and whenever Claire Raynor came on and started with her ''well look lovey'' statement, my family used to go mad and hate that,they used to really cringe at the term

Someone really unpleasant or someone being nasty to someone as a child or whatever may have used a term often and when people hear it, it could bring back rotten memories.

I can understand anyone wanting to stop people talking to them with terms they find offensive for any reason.

[rubymoo]

I suppose because they are similar ages it sounds quite patronising, to call your peers love, or me duck, or pet.

Whereas you'd find no problem using those terms with a child.

I used to work in a nursing home and it would make me cringe to hear carers calling the residents, lovey, or ducky it just seemed very condescending, i wouldn't want an 18 year old calling me love, or ducky when i'm elderly.

However i have no problems with my elders using terms of endearments on me.....i quite like it

[smudgie]

If you call someone love in an argument like that then of course it is condescending.
I am from up North, it was always used years ago, along with pet, honey(cringe) darling, flower etc, well, it's ok if you know somebody but I find it offensive if it is on the phone or at the door by a stranger.
My husband used to say thanks pet at the end of a conversation in a shop etc to young shop assistants and it did not go down well, times they are a changing.

[Liam-]

In the context in which it was used, it was incredibly patronising, so she had every right to tell him not to call her it.

[alex_front2]

I would have said: whynot, what are you going to do? Nothing, love.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

That was the end on Brian rant
calling Helen "Love."


Then he gets his codger out for Jade



Respect Helen

I applauded Helen,who does this creep think he is ?He didnt call her it in a nice way,its was sarcastic,good on you girl !!

[Ellen]

I dont see a problem with saying thanks/ta love or pet/my lovely/darling. It is all friendly. If people have a problem with other regional sayings so what?

When it is used in a patronising way then that is different and do have the right to say so.

[Rob4]

Maybe it was because she doesn't accept love in any form, due to her being the Ice Queen. But yes, in an argument using love is patronising.

[Josy]

Its very condescending, especially during an argument/disagreement when it's clearly meant to annoy the other person.

[just thinkin]

this thread is hilarious

[Rorkimaru]

Originally Posted by Mick

I am an oldie and in years gone bye calling women love and men mate was perceived as a friendly and acceptable expression.I think Helen reacted in a negative way because she is not pleased with brian.If one of the other male HMs had used it I don't think she would have taken any notice.

It would be the same if he called marc mate and marc responded by saying I am not your mate.?

This PC stuff is now well OTT imo and causes confusion.

I don't see it that way but it could be a regional thing. I see love as being used by older people to address the younger where as mate is used to address equals. Like you'd say love to a child but not to a contemporary whereas you'd say mate to a contemporary but not to a child. For me, especially in an argumentative context it is talking down to a person.

[Jamie89]

Helen doesn't like being called "love". I wonder if she has ever called someone something they didn't like. Nah, not helen

[kefln]

Fat ****, dick and slag are OK in Helens book, as long as she's the one saying it, just don't call her "love" cause that makes her want to kick you in the face - her words

[Rorkimaru]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

Helen doesn't like being called "love". I wonder if she has ever called someone something they didn't like. Nah, not helen

an eye for an eye and the whole world is blind

[Mick]

The one which got me was when she called Harry Myra Hindley fortunately not to her face but way out of order imo.