[Absorption]

There have been comments in various areas about Aisleyne in last night's highlights show and that it didn't do her any favours.

Personally, it reminded me of why I found her an interesting HM originally. There are various levels to her which aren't contrived or as controlled as a lot of reality 'stars'. Yes, there's the 'public persona' side which everyone has to a degree but beyond that we saw someone get drunk and then go through various stages of insecurity, embarrassment and ultimately reveal a vulnerability which remains despite nearly a decade of being (by reality TV standards) famous.

I found it quite reassuring that these basic human qualities are still there, although for her own happiness it would be nice to think that she could meet at least one bloke whom she could trust (and who would deserve it, perhaps more to the point).

BB used to be at least partly about actual human ineraction and the affect the situation had on people's characters. Over the years, it has concentrated more on stage-managed controversy but this was a brief glimpse of a HM's inner workings.

Okay, now back to the timewarp and guest Z-listers. No, after you, I insist!

[waterhog]

but this is not a dating show.

i loved ash first time round but don't feel she has done herself any favors - yes she is human but at what point is there a learning curb ?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Absorption

There have been comments in various areas about Aisleyne in last night's highlights show and that it didn't do her any favours.

Personally, it reminded me of why I found her an interesting HM originally. There are various levels to her which aren't contrived or as controlled as a lot of reality 'stars'. Yes, there's the 'public persona' side which everyone has to a degree but beyond that we saw someone get drunk and then go through various stages of insecurity, embarrassment and ultimately reveal a vulnerability which remains despite nearly a decade of being (by reality TV standards) famous.

I found it quite reassuring that these basic human qualities are still there, although for her own happiness it would be nice to think that she could meet at least one bloke whom she could trust (and who would deserve it, perhaps more to the point).

BB used to be at least partly about actual human ineraction and the affect the situation had on people's characters. Over the years, it has concentrated more on stage-managed controversy but this was a brief glimpse of a HM's inner workings.

Okay, now back to the timewarp and guest Z-listers. No, after you, I insist!

Flawed but human? that is relevant for ALL of them including Helen,Ashleine will never find respect or a DECENT man acting like a trollop.

[Mick]

I knew little about her but have enjoyed watching her.She appears full of conflict and contradiction's drink talking,game playing or just her I have no idea.?

[joeysteele]

Helen is flawed too,in fact probably most Humans would admit to having flaws, however in public most human beings know how to present themselves and show some decency.

Helen is a really annoying person who would do anyones head in with her ways of acting, no doubt about that.

However, neither in this series or the last has she made a charge for to jump into bed with any man that will do so,as Aisleyne has already after only 3 nights in the house.

Flawed but human, Aisleyne may be, I would guess most decent women would be appalled at her hijacking a BB series with such pathetic, desperate and pointless behaviour as she has these last 2 nights on a 'public' TV reality programme.

I agree totally with Kazanne unsurprisingly,that is how she has acted these last 2 nights,then she dares to judge others for their behaviour, after her flaunting herself for any who would have her.
If Marc had shown any interest, she would have been off from Danny and in with him too.
A liar, fake and false in all ways and I won't even try to print whatever else she is.

[Absorption]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Helen is flawed too,in fact probably most Humans would admit to having flaws, however in public most human beings know how to present themselves and show some decency.

Helen is a really annoying person who would do anyones head in with her ways of acting, no doubt about that.

However, neither in this series or the last has she made a charge for to jump into bed with any man that will do so,as Aisleyne has already after only 3 nights in the house.

Flawed but human, Aisleyne may be, I would guess most decent women would be appalled at her hijacking a BB series with such pathetic, desperate and pointless behaviour as she has these last 2 nights on a 'public' TV reality programme.

I agree totally with Kazanne unsurprisingly,that is how she has acted these last 2 nights,then she dares to judge others for their behaviour, after her flaunting herself for any who would have her.
If Marc had shown any interest, she would have been off from Danny and in with him too.
A liar, fake and false in all ways and I won't even try to print whatever else she is.

Look, I don't like Helen, you do, so we disagree on that, BUT..!

If we take that out of the equation, this is quite interesting, as I don't think Aisleyne is fake (at least not by reality TV standards). Her behaviour is erratic, inconsistent, etc, at times but it strikes me that this comes from genuine uncertainty rather than being fake.

'Fake' suggests someone deliberately plotting a certain course of behaviour rather than just reacting (however unwisely) to a situation. Emotional immaturity, if you like.

To the same degree, I don't think Helen is fake...I may not like her behaviour but it is spontaneous.

As I said, I'm not trying to do a one vs the other argument, just doing a bit of (very) amateur psychology!

[Mick]

Yes for some one who claims to live a celibate life she dresses and acts in a very sexually provocative way.As you say Helen with Ash then Marc kept things flirty but decent but head to head RE decency during this show Helen called one HM a child murder others a rapist and a fat C

[bots]

I shall be kind and say she doesn't do herself any favours. She is an utter hypocrite, accusing others of having low moral standards while behaving worse than anyone.

She is there as an extra, she doesn't need to behave OTT to get attention, she isn't going to win. If she wanted peoples respect, she could have started by behaving in an appropriate fashion

[Kizzy]

She didn't behave like this when she was younger :/ Last night she was a mess, it was sad to see,drunk and crying over someone she hardly knew... Not 'fierce' anymore are you Ash?

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Absorption

There have been comments in various areas about Aisleyne in last night's highlights show and that it didn't do her any favours.

Personally, it reminded me of why I found her an interesting HM originally. There are various levels to her which aren't contrived or as controlled as a lot of reality 'stars'. Yes, there's the 'public persona' side which everyone has to a degree but beyond that we saw someone get drunk and then go through various stages of insecurity, embarrassment and ultimately reveal a vulnerability which remains despite nearly a decade of being (by reality TV standards) famous.

I found it quite reassuring that these basic human qualities are still there, although for her own happiness it would be nice to think that she could meet at least one bloke whom she could trust (and who would deserve it, perhaps more to the point).

BB used to be at least partly about actual human ineraction and the affect the situation had on people's characters. Over the years, it has concentrated more on stage-managed controversy but this was a brief glimpse of a HM's inner workings.

Okay, now back to the timewarp and guest Z-listers. No, after you, I insist!

I somewhat agree with this, and think she deserves a bit of a break (although admittedly I haven't seen the episode yet, maybe I'd change my mind if I watched).

It just strikes me as hypocritical that I've seen so many comments criticising Aisleyne because "no decent man would respect a woman like that!!!", yet I suspect that one of the reasons she acts out like this is because she is constantly fed messages that her worth is based on what men think of her, particularly with regards to her career. Meh, maybe I'm reading too much into it.

It's interesting that the OP highlighted that her vulnerability still remains despite being "famous" for a long time; I imagine that her vulnerability has been fed by being in the limelight as a reality star after being on a show which encourages the audience to judge people.

[Gusto Brunt]

Aisleyne is very immature and desperate.

Anyone who goes into BB to look for love is a sad case in my view.

I thought she was pathetic last night.

[Robodog]

My issue would be Aisleyne's double standards.

Imagine Helen had done what Aisleyne did last night, behaved in the exact same way.

What do you think Aisleyene would be saying about her!

Think about that in detail..

[Patricia4]

She is pathetic

[Absorption]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I somewhat agree with this, and think she deserves a bit of a break (although admittedly I haven't seen the episode yet, maybe I'd change my mind if I watched).

It just strikes me as hypocritical that I've seen so many comments criticising Aisleyne because "no decent man would respect a woman like that!!!", yet I suspect that one of the reasons she acts out like this is because she is constantly fed messages that her worth is based on what men think of her, particularly with regards to her career. Meh, maybe I'm reading too much into it.

It's interesting that the OP highlighted that her vulnerability still remains despite being "famous" for a long time; I imagine that her vulnerability has been fed by being in the limelight as a reality star after being on a show which encourages the audience to judge people.

This is quite possible. My perspective was that fame often seems to result in people having to acquire a protective shell in order to deal with the increased attention thrown at them, especially if it's negative.

I agree with what you say about her self-worth being influenced by what men think of her. The fact that this seemingly remains the case after quite a while in the public eye is interesting.

[Absorption]

Originally Posted by Robodog

My issue would be Aisleyne's double standards.

Imagine Helen had done what Aisleyne did last night, behaved in the exact same way.

What do you think Aisleyene would be saying about her!

Think about that in detail..

As I said in the original post, this wasn't meant to be an Aisleyne vs Helen discussion. There are a million of those already.

[johnx]

Another chav who has problems with coherent sentences(Danny,Christian,Belo).

[Absorption]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

She is pathetic

Although I suspect it was not meant this way, you may have entered into the spirit of this discussion more than you realised.

"Pathetic: arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness."

This could in fact be very true of Aisleyne at times.

But why show compassion when you can sneer, eh?

[Niamh.]

First of all I'd like to make it very clear I'm not a Helen fan, I think she's a horrible person and my least favourite winner of all time. I didn't watch BB7 so didn't know what Aisleyen was like before she went in. I quite liked her at first while Nikki was there but since she's left she's just been an embarrassment to herself tbqh. She's 36 years old, the same age as I am actually and she's behaving like an insecure teenager. Is she some kind of a moron saying men treat her like a piece of meat and that same day goes around kissing all the girls and jumping into bed with Danny who didn't even want her there?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Robodog

My issue would be Aisleyne's double standards.

Imagine Helen had done what Aisleyne did last night, behaved in the exact same way.

What do you think Aisleyene would be saying about her!

Think about that in detail..

Good point.
It would not be printable what Aisleyne would say,which is why she is false and lots of other things, presenting herself as something she is not and could never be,while bringing others down.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Absorption

There have been comments in various areas about Aisleyne in last night's highlights show and that it didn't do her any favours.

Personally, it reminded me of why I found her an interesting HM originally. There are various levels to her which aren't contrived or as controlled as a lot of reality 'stars'. Yes, there's the 'public persona' side which everyone has to a degree but beyond that we saw someone get drunk and then go through various stages of insecurity, embarrassment and ultimately reveal a vulnerability which remains despite nearly a decade of being (by reality TV standards) famous.

I found it quite reassuring that these basic human qualities are still there, although for her own happiness it would be nice to think that she could meet at least one bloke whom she could trust (and who would deserve it, perhaps more to the point).

BB used to be at least partly about actual human ineraction and the affect the situation had on people's characters. Over the years, it has concentrated more on stage-managed controversy but this was a brief glimpse of a HM's inner workings.

Okay, now back to the timewarp and guest Z-listers. No, after you, I insist!

Love this post.

I think that unless a HM is 2 dimensional and consistently acts the same way throughout they will be criticised for being fake. But people aren't like this. People change over time, they change when drunk, they change when upset/happy etc. Peoples emotions and behaviour vary all the time, and I think as embarrassed as I was for Aisleyne last night, she is true to her emotions.

I think Helen is rather 2 dimensional and cartoonish and this makes her easier to like if you aren't as interested in the human side of big brother and observing different behaviours in people, and understanding what makes people tick. Helen makes it very easy for people by being a 'what you see is what you get' type, where you don't need to look beyond the fascade to understand her as a character.

[Vicky.]

Can we stop with the fan comments please. Fans of one housemate are not all one collective brain and its pretty damn patronizing to assume/make out they are.