[Z]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Still flabbergasted that this is such "big news" for the general public. Most had absolutely no idea, did they. None of this is new information but Joe Public has been too busy swooning over royal marriages and cooing over royal babies to actually notice.

I'm sure Wills is hard at work as we speak trying to fill Kate up with another royal baby. It's a bit soon but needs must... It's like rock paper scissors and everyone knows that Royal Baby always beats Closet Nazi.

That would be a great movie.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Didn't Harry sport a Nazi costume not long ago? It's in their blood. In their own private times they sing heil hitler.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Didn't Harry sport a Nazi costume not long ago? It's in their blood. In their own private times they sing heil hitler.

My husband wore a Nazi officers uniform to a party once, turns out it didn't make him a Nazi. And also, I have German blood but that doesn't make me a Nazi either, Nor make me sing "heil Hitler".

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

My husband wore a Nazi officers uniform to a party once, turns out it didn't make him a Nazi. And also, I have German blood but that doesn't make me a Nazi either, Nor make me sing "heil Hitler".

That shows difference in sense of humour and standpoint in individuals. I would never find any sort of humour in wearing a costume of someone that was a mass murderer. Halloween on not.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

That shows difference in sense of humour and standpoint in individuals. I would never find any sort of humour in wearing a costume of someone that was a mass murderer. Halloween on not.

Well, as a Jewish woman, I saw it for what it was: not serious.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, as a Jewish woman, I saw it for what it was: not serious.

Well I am sure at the time it was for any holocaust survivor.


As a black woman I wouldn't wear a kkk outfit out of respect for those who went through it. But we differ I suppose.

[Niamh.]

As an Irish woman I wouldn't wear a Potato costume out of respect for Potato famine survivors

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As an Irish woman I wouldn't wear a Potato costume out of respect for Potato famine survivors

I mean it's easy to joke when you're not really part of the oppressed group.

I mean on YouTube there's a vid circulating of blacks arguing against kkk it's like 1950s.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

I mean it's easy to joke when you're not really part of the oppressed group.

I mean on YouTube there's a vid circulating of blacks arguing against kkk it's like 1950s.

Oh lighten up ffs

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh lighten up ffs

I can't. Too much oppression. I'm feeling it

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

I mean it's easy to joke when you're not really part of the oppressed group.

I mean on YouTube there's a vid circulating of blacks arguing against kkk it's like 1950s.

I am part of an oppressed group! It's not just black people who get oppressed.

[Z]

Maybe the difference in approaches here is that the people who can ironically joke about and condone horrific events that happened to their ancestors are the ones who have moved forward from those horrible events; and those who hang up on them can't ever move forward from them and so they continue to this day. Just saying

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Z

Maybe the difference in approaches here is that the people who can ironically joke about and condone horrific events that happened to their ancestors are the ones who have moved forward from those horrible events; and those who hang up on them can't ever move forward from them and so they continue to this day. Just saying

I mean it would be easy to move forward if things like this weren't still happening.

Youtube video

If people didn't get shot because of their skin color, if footballers didn't get monkey chants when they play, if I could wlk past n all white area without them staring or some sneering my way...the everyday list is endless.

[Kizzy]

I'm not surprised, there were many blackshirts in areas of privilege and influence, Edward was asked to abdicate due to his affiliations therefore this doesn't surprise me at all.
I posted a pic of our PM doing the same, however inadvertently
I agreed it should be removed however due to the sensibilities of members, thinking about it it was in very bad taste.
I don't agree with the idea of moving on or glossing over the past, we should recognise mistakes, acknowledge them and never attempt to make light of any past suffering for me it's hugely disrespectful.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, as a Jewish woman, I saw it for what it was: not serious.

well obviously she was too young to be accountable, but the fact that the royal family and large parts of the british aristocracy and barons of industry were nazi supporters is undeniable.

[Kizzy]

Makes Mr Brands comments a tad more credible that's for sure.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well obviously she was too young to be accountable, but the fact that the royal family and large parts of the british aristocracy and barons of industry were nazi supporters is undeniable.

A lot of people supported the Nazis before the war when their true colours came to light. They had supporters all over Europe and America too. What's important is that the majority of people took a stand against them when it all came into the light.

[T*]

Wasn't this before he was found to be a psychopathic dictator anyway?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Tøm

Wasn't this before he was found to be a psychopathic dictator anyway?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebit...ev_print.shtml

There you go Tom, yes seems hitler was a real sweetie in 1933.

[T*]

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebit...ev_print.shtml

There you go Tom, yes seems hitler was a real sweetie in 1933.

I'm an A grade history student, I know all of this
Dezzy's point is basically what I was trying to say, people supported them before they knew what they were really about... No need to come for me with info I already know tbh

[MTVN]

Worth remembering that Mussolini had been in power for ten years by 1933 and that many people recognised the very real nature of it and the threat that it could pose: the UK was witnessing street battles itself in the early 30s between Fascists and their opponents. Sure no one could have foreseen the war and the holocaust but then it's hardly as if Nazism was a perfectly benign force apart from those two blemishes on its record. Yes doing this salute would still be pretty uncontroversial but that just goes to show how easily dangerous ideas could spread and be accepted, and there were a lot of people amongst the upper echelons of society who saw a lot to admire in both Mussolini's Italy and in Hitler's Germany as much of the world suffered from the Depression and when the middle and upper classes felt themselves under threat from the spread of Communism and worker's movements.

None of this reflects anything on the Queen obviously, that goes without saying. Maybe even her mother and Edward VIII were doing it mockingly. I doubt that of Edward though. Either way the Royal family are a public institute, this was 80 years ago now, and it's pretty silly to say that only footage which shows them in a good light should be released.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Tøm

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I'm an A grade history student, I know all of this
Dezzy's point is basically what I was trying to say, people supported them before they knew what they were really about... No need to come for me with info I already know tbh

I haven't come for you, it's a cop out to simply suggest they were ignorant of the facts however.
As you know the nazis had gathered momentum since the beginning of the 20s, if anything 33 was when hitler hit his stride as a dictator for our royal family to appear complicit as we headed towards war would have been seen as the ultimate betrayal.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A lot of people supported the Nazis before the war when their true colours came to light. They had supporters all over Europe and America too. What's important is that the majority of people took a stand against them when it all came into the light.

true, and what's more important is that they still have significant amounts of supporters all over the muslim world.