[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Oh no, just a general comment on the shoddy non-excuses some people pull out. The fact is there is no excuse for it. Him changing and moving on from it is a different matter altogether (and if he feels genuine remorse and the others involved have forgiven him, I believe he should be able to).

thing is though, just because someone was convicted of something, doesn't mean they did what they was accused of. trust me, the british justice system does fail. without evidence, i feel like i can't judge him for what it says he did.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Dollface

thing is though, just because someone was convicted of something, doesn't mean they did what they was accused of. trust me, the british justice system does fail. without evidence, i feel like i can't judge him for what it says he did.

Hill admitted carrying out the two assaults and received an six month jail sentence suspended for 18 months. He was also ordered to pay a total of £500 compensation to his victims and £755 in costs.

Just saying.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Lmao he admitted it though? He committed a crime and was punished for it. That's justice.

well if he admitted to beating someone up for no reason, then that is a different story
but i haven't read that he admitted it or that it was for no reason (maybe i should do some reading about it though idk), the other person could have hit out first or something

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Just saying.

just because he admitted to it doesn't mean it was for no reason, and just because he was ordered to pay compensation, doesn't mean the "victims" deserved the compensation

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Dollface

well if he admitted to beating someone up for no reason, then that is a different story
but i haven't read that he admitted it or that it was for no reason (maybe i should do some reading about it though idk), the other person could have hit out first or something

No matter how much you like him, there's no point trying to make excuses for him because he's already admitted it himself, so end of discussion.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

No matter how much you like him, there's no point trying to make excuses for him because he's already admitted it himself, so end of discussion.

first of all, i don't like the fella, just because i'm defending him in this thread, doesn't mean i like him. just trying to get across to judgmental people that there is always two sides to a story. the discussion will end when both people in the discussion have nothing left to say, so don't be so rude.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Bring Tila back!

No... The bum hugging shorts and socks were enough to evict her

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Dollface

first of all, i don't like the fella, just because i'm defending him in this thread, doesn't mean i like him. just trying to get across to judgmental people that there is always two sides to a story. the discussion will end when both people in the discussion have nothing left to say, so don't be so rude.

It doesn't matter if they dealt the first hit at all, it doesn't change the fact that he assaulted them during the brawl. He committed a crime. If we take an extreme example, such as a man raping a women because she raped him first, does that make the man any less guilty of rape? Think about it.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

A leopard never changes his spots.

That rule doesn't apply to Tila then no?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That rule doesn't apply to Tila then no?

You can't really compare the two situations though, can't you?

[Daniel.]

Why are people coming people because of things they have said and done in their past? We have all done things we regret.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Why are people coming people because of things they have said and done in their past? We have all done things we regret.

This. Can we move on from Tila now

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

This. Can we move on from Tila now

Yeah. Although she was one of my favourites, tonight's episode kinda proves that the show can go on without her.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

It doesn't matter if they dealt the first hit at all, it doesn't change the fact that he assaulted them during the brawl. He committed a crime. If we take an extreme example, such as a man raping a women because she raped him first, does that make the man any less guilty of rape? Think about it.

you do realise "assaulted" can mean as little as throwing a drink at someone, poking someone, etc. ...right?
you probably don't know anyone who has been wrongly arrested/convicted, if you did maybe you would understand where i'm coming from. just because an article suggests justice was served, doesn't mean it was.

i'm not saying this dude is innocent, i don't know what happened and the article has no details about what happened. i'm just saying, it's best not to judge people by what you read about them. but from your "a leopard doesn't change it's spots" thing, i'm guessing you are the type to judge someone at the drop of a hat, so judge away.

[LukeB]

- pokes dollface -

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

You can't really compare the two situations though, can't you?

erm, you just compared "assault" (which like i said can mean anything, from poking, to throwing a drink, to beating) ..to rape, soo..

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LukeB

- pokes dollface -

you just assaulted me, i'm calling tibb police

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dollface

you just assaulted me, i'm calling tibb police

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LukeB

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Dollface

you do realise "assaulted" can mean as little as throwing a drink at someone, poking someone, etc. ...right?

I doubt he was sentenced to six months in jail for poking someone.

Originally Posted by Dollface

you probably don't know anyone who has been wrongly arrested/convicted, if you did maybe you would understand where i'm coming from. just because an article suggests justice was served, doesn't mean it was.

I know tons of people who have been wrongly arrested, it's part of my job.

Originally Posted by Dollface

it's best not to judge people by what you read about them. but from your "a leopard doesn't change it's spots" thing, i'm guessing you are the type to judge someone at the drop of a hat, so judge away.

That's just ironic.

Originally Posted by Dollface

erm, you just compared "assault" (which like i said can mean anything, from poking, to throwing a drink, to beating) ..to rape, soo..

Assault and rape are both crimes. So yes, I did just compare them.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I doubt he was sentenced to six months in jail for poking someone.


I know tons of people who have been wrongly arrested, it's part of my job.


That's just ironic.


Assault and rape are both crimes. So yes, I did just compare them.

ok well we're obviously going to have to agree to disagree i do wonder what your job is though.

and really? how so? i'm judging you by something you wrote yourself, not something someone else wrote about you. so please tell me how that is ironic

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Why are people coming people because of things they have said and done in their past? We have all done things we regret.

Agree...everyone deserves a second chance.....we all make mistakes...if we own it and regret it that's a huge step....no ones perfect and if we become a better person for it then the lesson is learnt. Move on...and remember there is often another side to the story... Move on.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Agree...everyone deserves a second chance.....we all make mistakes...if we own it and regret it that's a huge step....no ones perfect and if we become a better person for it then the lesson is learnt. Move on...and remember there is often another side to the story... Move on.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Really? how so? i'm judging you by something you wrote yourself, not something someone else wrote about you. so please tell me how that is ironic, thanks.

I judged James based on something he did, and you judged me based on something I said, so we're both as bad as each other.

What else is ironic, is the fact that you're defending James even though you don't like him, and I'm prosecuting James even though I like him.

[BENDERBOY]

D@@@heads punching each other, his first bromances.