[Tom4784]

It's a bit silly to compare Obama's thoughts on the EU to a hypothetical situation in which Cameron endorses a racist presidential candidate that would set the most powerful country in the world back 60 years.

I've not seen any good reasons to leave the EU, most of the arguments for an exit seem rather short sighted and reactionary to me.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Isn't this the guy who couldn't be bothered to turn up for the Paris march after Charlie Hebdo?

There must be something in it for him this time, probably a plate of dinner at the Palace and the ass-licking hospitality that Cameron will give him.

What does that have to do with anything?

[Alf]

This thread is about Barack Obama, My post was about Barack Obama.

Hopefully that clears up that little mystery.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

This thread is about Barack Obama, My post was about Barack Obama.

Hopefully that clears up that little mystery.

Well no that clears up nothing, what does the Charlie Hebdo incident have to do with the referendum and why does it mean that Obama can't have an opinion on it?

Does it apply to everyone or just the people whose opinions you disagree with?

[Alf]

I apologise for causing upset and anger. it wasn't intended.

[arista]

Alf
I am Angry at this Out Going President
its not for his Gob.

Vested Interests at heart
of course

[Northern Monkey]

Meh.I doubt very much that it'll change anybodies mind.Brits will just think he should mind his own business tbh.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Meh.I doubt very much that it'll change anybodies mind.Brits will just think he should mind his own business tbh.

In 100 days the vote can get close


Using a Outside American Leader
Stinks

[joeysteele]

He is not however the only leader of a Country to say his views as to the UK staying in or out.
I am sure his visit here is not purely for that purpose too.

He is not likely to make up anyone's minds or change the minds of those already made up,I see no problem with him saying what he thinks as to our future, in or out of the EU,we do also claim to have a 'special relationship' with the USA anyway.

Usually we at least listen to anyone we supposedly have a special relationship with, whether we take any notice is another matter.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He is not however the only leader of a Country to say his views as to the UK staying in or out.
I am sure his visit here is not purely for that purpose too.

He is not likely to make up anyone's minds or change the minds of those already made up,I see no problem with him saying what he thinks as to our future, in or out of the EU,we do also claim to have a 'special relationship' with the USA anyway.

Usually we at least listen to anyone we supposedly have a special relationship with, whether we take any notice is another matter.

Yes but is to Corrupt.


We can still be Mates with USA
Out of EU

Thats my point

Better Fair Trading

[arista]

Fecker

Now Confirmed to the UK visit
next month.

ref: Ch5HD News


He will see the EU Outta The Queen.

and the EU inner The PM

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Fecker

Now Confirmed to the UK visit
next month.

ref: Ch5HD News


He will see the EU Outta The Queen.

and the EU inner The PM

now now you know that was pinoccigove.

[arista]

The USA President
arrives in England this Friday

Europe Matters are not his say so.

[Alf]

If Obama believes it's best for us to be in the EU, then why don't the US join the Union too?

Why don't the US have there laws made elsewhere?
Why don't the US have a free movement for every member of a Union?

If you don't practice it, then don't preach it.

What an insult to the British people by the US saying we couldn't prosper without it.

[joeysteele]

As said many times before he is only one of many voices from other Countries around the World expressing a view as to the UK in the EU.
He is bound to have an interest in the continent of Europe showing coming together rather than splitting up in any way.

One of many voices is his on this issue from the USA to India and even including China and oddly enough all are saying the same, they would prefer to see the UK remain in the EU.

[arista]

Sure Joey
But he can Feck Off at this time
we have not had the Full TV debates
due next month , I think

[jennyjuniper]

Someone should tell him to clean up his own country's **** before he starts handing out advice to any other country.

[arista]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Someone should tell him to clean up his own country's **** before he starts handing out advice to any other country.

Bang On Right
Jenny

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

As said many times before he is only one of many voices from other Countries around the World expressing a view as to the UK in the EU.
He is bound to have an interest in the continent of Europe showing coming together rather than splitting up in any way.

One of many voices is his on this issue from the USA to India and even including China and oddly enough all are saying the same, they would prefer to see the UK remain in the EU.

why do you think the american government want uk not to rock the EU boat? do you relly think they care about us? or is it more to do with the long awaited TTIP american corporate takeover over of the EU>? Ebay and amazon have taken over the 2nd hand goods and delivery, theyre the biggest arms dealers in the world, theyve bought out our movie industry, theyve taken over our supermarkets much of our service industry , facebook , twitter worldwide , fast food garbage pushing the world over the diabetic and obese cliff...heck theyve even taken over our entire black market tickets across europe and even taxis are wiped out worldwide by uber

its a worldwide american corporate takeover and were just rolling over in the traffic

[joeysteele]

If he was coming to say we should leave I would be pretty sure that Chris Grayling, Boris Johnson,Michael Gove and the others would be hailing from the rooftops that the UKs closest ally even wanted us to leave.
To me the reaction to whatever he may say is a massive overreaction.

I doubt much of what he says will have much, if any even, impact on how people will really vote come June 23rd.
Still it mus be infuriating for the out organisation that not a single Nation that is seen as an ally or friend of the UK advocates the UK leaving the EU.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

why do you think the american government want uk not to rock the EU boat? do you relly think they care about us? or is it more to do with the long awaited TTIP american corporate takeover over of the EU>? Ebay and amazon have taken over the 2nd hand goods and delivery, theyre the biggest arms dealers in the world, theyve bought out our movie industry, theyve taken over our supermarkets much of our service industry , facebook , twitter worldwide , fast food garbage pushing the world over the diabetic and obese cliff...heck theyve even taken over our entire black market tickets across europe and even taxis are wiped out worldwide by uber

its a worldwide american corporate takeover and were just rolling over in the traffic

Bingo!
It's amazing what you can sell to the masses if you label it "free trade".
Time we stopped being so bloody apathetic and woke up to the real goings on behind the EU deals on trade. Of course this is a better deal for America with their already giant international companies. TTIP is about America bypassing our irritating local regulations; its about creating a power vacuum which America will control and its about handing Europe over to the worst abuse from giant corporate power....When it comes to TTIP America is our enemy.

Lets not miss out on doing something about this > http://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-eu...st-law/5486736

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If he was coming to say we should leave I would be pretty sure that Chris Grayling, Boris Johnson,Michael Gove and the others would be hailing from the rooftops that the UKs closest ally even wanted us to leave.
To me the reaction to whatever he may say is a massive overreaction.

I doubt much of what he says will have much, if any even, impact on how people will really vote come June 23rd.
Still it mus be infuriating for the out organisation that not a single Nation that is seen as an ally or friend of the UK advocates the UK leaving the EU.

There have been mass protests in Europe over TTIP joey but unlike us, those countries haven't been given the choice of a referendum. The problem with TTIP is, most people don't understand the implications but a gradual awareness is starting to happen within Europe and people are starting to get angry http://www.theguardian.com/business/...standards-gmos

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There have been mass protests in Europe over TTIP joey but unlike us, those countries haven't been given the choice of a referendum. The problem with TTIP is, most people don't understand the implications but a gradual awareness is starting to happen within Europe and people are starting to get angry http://www.theguardian.com/business/...standards-gmos

Well that is good and they will need to influence their govts if at the end of the negotiations somewhere around 1919/20, the deal is not acceptable.

I understand several EU nations can hold referenda on the issue but I may have understood that wrong but then it will still have to be then ratified by all Nations in the EU anyway.

If all the problems/worries/concerns cannot be erased as to the objections being raised to same then it is unlikely all EU nations will in fact end up ratifying it,which will in effect be needed to enact it anyway.
If we were top leave the EU, then we would have no say and not vote in it at all being agreed or not,yet it may be possible unless,the out organisation can solidly prove otherwise, that we may have to accept it,whether it ends up being a good or bad thing, even if out.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well that is good and they will need to influence their govts if at the end of the negotiations somewhere around 1919/20, the deal is not acceptable.

I understand several EU nations can hold referenda on the issue but I may have understood that wrong but then it will still have to be then ratified by all Nations in the EU anyway.

If all the problems/worries/concerns cannot be erased as to the objections being raised to same then it is unlikely all EU nations will in fact end up ratifying it,which will in effect be needed to enact it anyway.
If we were top leave the EU, then we would have no say and not vote in it at all being agreed or not,yet it may be possible unless,the out organisation can solidly prove otherwise, that we may have to accept it,whether it ends up being a good or bad thing, even if out.

Cameron has certainly led the way when it comes to the TTIP and he's going to continue that push if we leave the EU but his position is going to be rocky because we, the citizens we will have far more influence in Westminster than we do in Europe.
Voting to remain in the EU is giving consent to the TTIP without any democratic scrutiny whatsoever. Voting for Brexit will at least ensure the TTIP undergoes democratic scrutiny through both Houses.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Cameron has certainly led the way when it comes to the TTIP and he's going to continue that push if we leave the EU but his position is going to be rocky because we, the citizens we will have far more influence in Westminster than we do in Europe.
Voting to remain in the EU is giving consent to the TTIP without any democratic scrutiny whatsoever. Voting for Brexit will at least ensure the TTIP undergoes democratic scrutiny through both Houses.

...but, we have in place in parliament a law that states any new treaties have to be put to the UK voters before they can be ratified by the PM of a UK govt.
This may well have to be put to the voters again if it is deemed new substantial change.

It is not even sure to be made of the EU set up and if as you say, other Nations are complaining then it is unlikely to get the consent of the other EU nations of who, all 27 if we leave or 28 if we say will have to agree to.

Are you that sure we will have that much scrutiny with being out, if this is deemed an issue from the EU that needs to be put to the voters before our govt can agree to ratify it,how will being out help.
There will be no need if out of the EU, for our govt to then ask the voters their opinion on it.

'If' it is ever accepted as part of the EU system and in the unlikely event then even gets the ratification of all the nations of the EU, how if we were out may we not be affected by it for certain.

Do you really believe,particularly with this present govt and indeed even Tony Blair's Labour one, that the voters feel we have influence there that much.
I certainly don't, just my thinking but this govt particularly rarely listens to anyone.

I would myself rather take the chance with this having to come to the voters in the UK again IF, and I stress if, the EU comes to any firm agreement on it for it to be put to all the nations of the EU,which would mean it would likely come to the voters of the UK in a referendum.

Outside the EU,then Westminster, if it was possible to be part of this, no way would the UK govt then ask the voters of the UK anything about it,there would be no need to.

If there are so many issues as to it now, it may never even become part of anything as to the EU in the end despite the lengthy negotiations anyway.
If they cannot get things better as to it.