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Livia · 18-05-2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There have been many racist comedians/comedies though and nobody was arrested for that.I've heard black comedians call white people 'crackers' many many times and generalise them as a group,That is racism too.It was comedy,Tasteless comedy yes but i think banning speech veers dangerously into Saudi Arabian-esque dictatorship territory.Should John Cleese be arrested?Or Prince Harry?

This man is not a comedian. He doesn't have a body of work to refer to that would show what kind of comedian he is. This man is some random posting on YouTube.

I can laugh at myself and my heritage. I laugh at Cleese, I rolled my eyes at Harry... I take some shtick on the forum from people that's given in friendly jest and taken as such. This wasn't meant like that in my opinion and it is not okay.

Toy Soldier · 18-05-2016, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There have been many racist comedians/comedies though and nobody was arrested for that.I've heard black comedians call white people 'crackers' many many times and generalise them as a group,That is racism too.It was comedy,Tasteless comedy yes but i think banning speech veers dangerously into Saudi Arabian-esque dictatorship territory.Should John Cleese be arrested?Or Prince Harry?

Well, to prove the point, how many people on this forum were quick to jump to the defense of Jim Davidson or that other "funny racist" old man a couple of years ago on CBB? The one who said something about "jungle beats". Can't remember his name.

Anyway, plenty of people were very quick to excuse that, including some people who appear to have a problem with this?

Niamh. · 18-05-2016, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well, to prove the point, how many people on this forum were quick to jump to the defense of Jim Davidson or that other "funny racist" old man a couple of years ago on CBB? The one who said something about "jungle beats". Can't remember his name.

Anyway, plenty of people were very quick to excuse that, including some people who appear to have a problem with this?

Ken whats his name who was Reg Holdsworth?

Livia · 18-05-2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But South Park uses the "N word" frequently and neither the creators, nor any of the current cast, are black?

E.g Randy Marsh on a game show with the letters "N_ggers" and the clue "people who annoy you" (the right answer being "Naggers", heh)... And he gleefully shouts out the "N word".

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I have only ever heard the N word uttered on South Park by the Chef. Who is black. Is it offensive? Not particularly to me, but it might be to a black person, you'd have to ask them

In my opinion the Randy Marsh thing is quite mild but again, you'd have to ask a black person if they thought it was offensive.

Neither of these things make light of six million people being murdered.

My Dad used to laugh at Alf Garnet, not because he thought being a racist was clever and funny, but because Warren Mitchell (Jew, incidentally...) was always shown to be the bigot he was... and it was funny. This issue isn't like that. Not at all. And as a Jew I am offended and no amount of explanation from a non-Jew, and the fact that some non-Jews find it acceptable will convince me otherwise.

Northern Monkey · 18-05-2016, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

This man is not a comedian. He doesn't have a body of work to refer to that would show what kind of comedian he is. This man is some random posting on YouTube.

I can laugh at myself and my heritage. I laugh at Cleese, I rolled my eyes at Harry... I take some shtick on the forum from people that's given in friendly jest and taken as such. This wasn't meant like that in my opinion and it is not okay.

And i agree that he was unfunny and can see how you would be offended.However i don't think he was actually inciting any harm to be done to anyone.It was in poor taste but i don't think we should be arresting people for their poor attempts at humour.

Livia · 18-05-2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

And i agree that he was unfunny and can see how you would be offended.However i don't think he was actually inciting any harm to be done to anyone.It was in poor taste but i don't think we should be arresting people for their poor attempts at humour.

I think it's sad that a line has to be drawn, frankly.

parmnion · 18-05-2016, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

A Jewish person hasn't done that though so it's not actually an example of Jewish humour, is it?

south park etc do it all the time and how do we know this bloke isn't?

Niamh. · 18-05-2016, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

south park etc do it all the time and how do we know this bloke isn't?

I said a jewish person hasn't done this :

"If a Jewish person taught their dog to respond happily to 'do you want to gas the Jews' it would be funny?"

Not any episode of South Park I've ever seen

parmnion · 18-05-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I said a jewish person hasn't done this :

"If a Jewish person taught their dog to respond happily to 'do you want to gas the Jews' it would be funny?"

Not any episode of South Park I've ever seen

how do you know one hasn't, for all we know this bloke may be jewish.

Niamh. · 18-05-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

how do you know one hasn't, for all we know this bloke may be jewish.

I'm sure his first line of defence would have been "But I am Jewish myself" if he were

Kizzy · 18-05-2016, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

A Jewish person hasn't done that though so it's not actually an example of Jewish humour, is it?

Well no but the hypothetical is that had it been said by a Jewish person there is the possibility that it would be funny. I don't know how but that's what was suggested.

parmnion · 18-05-2016, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well no but the hypothetical is that had it been said by a Jewish person there is the possibility that it would be funny. I don't know how but that's what was suggested.

just last week someone suggested livia should have sniffed something out and it was takein jest. what if i took offence though. or what if somene else had been as quick witted that livia didn't feel as comfortable with!

DemolitionRed · 18-05-2016, 08:30 PM

I think it was offensive.
I didn't think pugs were like that

Kizzy · 18-05-2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think it was offensive.
I didn't think pugs were like that

now that's comedy!

Livia · 18-05-2016, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

just last week someone suggested livia should have sniffed something out and it was takein jest. what if i took offence though. or what if somene else had been as quick witted that livia didn't feel as comfortable with!

The person who said that was a friend... LT maybe, or TS? Not a total stranger or someone with whom I clearly clash. It's not the same thing at all.

joeysteele · 18-05-2016, 09:23 PM

I am not Jewish but being quite frank about this, I find any 'supposed' humour pertaining to Hitler or the Nazis,unacceptable and should be offensive,no matter where or who it comes from.

I find everything about Hitler and the nazis and even the very word nazi appalling and a disgrace to mankind for the despicable crimes they carried out on millions..

If he has got into bother on this, then good, in my view.

Toy Soldier · 18-05-2016, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

The person who said that was a friend... LT maybe, or TS?

awwh

It was me actually

Kizzy · 18-05-2016, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

awwh

It was me actually

If you'd said it to me I'd be annoyed, I don't choose who I'm offended by

Ninastar · 18-05-2016, 10:30 PM

There's a difference between a friend having a joke and someone having a dig, though...

Johnnyuk123 · 18-05-2016, 10:32 PM

The N word i find totally offensive as others on here have already stated and to this day i still find it offensive BUT for me it is even more offensive to find rap artists still using this term that they themselves find offensive. It should not be used by anyone. Yet they continue to include this term to sell records.