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Old 11-11-2016, 01:52 PM   #1
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We all know how common it is to hear of life after death (NDE) stories but the reverse, life before birth, are virtually unknown. Since thereís a small number of people who can remember (in full or in part) their existence in the afterlife, (mostly small kids, who later forget because of the ďveil of forgetfulness,Ē although some donít lose the ability to remember), what do you think about pre-birth existence? Have you personally experienced it or have an idea of someone who has?
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can you explain how you think this works?
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I don't think these young children are remembering their existence in a past life; they're merely remembering dreams they've had when they were younger and confusing them with reality.

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I don't believe in such experiences, either before life or after death. I think they are probably fantasies influenced by TV/beliefs/desire for afterlife etc.
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I don't believe in such experiences, either before life or after death. I think they are probably fantasies influenced by TV/beliefs/desire for afterlife etc.
I think those near death experiences are probably your brain shutting down and doing strange things
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I don't think these young children are remembering their existence in a past life; they're merely remembering dreams they've had when they were younger and confusing them with reality.
As I said earlier, thereís this supposed phenomenon called ďveil of forgetfulness.Ē Itís meant to be a spiritual veil placed over a soul as it departs the afterlife to fuse with its earthly body to prevent remembrance of life in the afterlife (the hedonic pleasures of life in the afterlife in comparison to Earth, especially if said soul is going to have a tough life on Earth) + past lives (apparently more useful if a soul has had an unpleasant past life). Point is some kids donít lose this memory as they grow up and are still able to retain memories of a prior existence well into adulthood.

Iím no quasi-spiritual wack but Iíve been looking into this recently (and the idea of reincarnation) and both have convincing theories.
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I know I was Winston Churchill in a past life and also Aristotle.

this is why i am so amazing and important in this present life.
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I think those near death experiences are probably your brain shutting down and doing strange things
I think science has more or less proved that the brain does something like that when you die.
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As I said earlier, thereís this supposed phenomenon called ďveil of forgetfulness.Ē Itís meant to be a spiritual veil placed over a soul as it departs the afterlife to fuse with its earthly body to prevent remembrance of life in the afterlife (the hedonic pleasures of life in the afterlife in comparison to Earth, especially if said soul is going to have a tough life on Earth) + past lives (apparently more useful if a soul has had an unpleasant past life). Point is some kids donít lose this memory as they grow up and are still able to retain memories of a prior existence well into adulthood.

Iím no quasi-spiritual wack but Iíve been looking into this recently (and the idea of reincarnation) and both have convincing theories.
and both have convincing theories.

Can you show us these theories and where they have been published, I presume they have been peer reviewed?

Some links?
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and both have convincing theories.

Can you show us these theories and where they have been published, I presume they have been peer reviewed?

Some links?
"Convincing" meaning "convincing to me." I'm not presenting a case or even saying I necessarily believe in it myself. I'm just interested in other people's opinions.
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"Convincing" meaning "convincing to me." I'm not presenting a case or even saying I necessarily believe in it myself. I'm just interested in other people's opinions.
but you have not said how this can happen ?

before you are conceived you do not exist in any way shape or form so how?

Also the "soul" is just a religious term and is not real so the whole premise starts off incorrect?

What did you read that sounded in any way convincing?
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I don't remember being in the womb, or know anyone who has. However I was told when small that the reason we have a dent between our nose and upper lip, is that an angel touches us there before we are born and says 'Ssshh, don't tell what you know'.
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I don't remember being in the womb, or know anyone who has. However I was told when small that the reason we have a dent between our nose and upper lip, is that an angel touches us there before we are born and says 'Ssshh, don't tell what you know'.
That might just silence LT Jenny - But I doubt it.
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but you have not said how this can happen ?

before you are conceived you do not exist in any way shape or form so how?

Also the "soul" is just a religious term and is not real so the whole premise starts off incorrect?

What did you read that sounded in any way convincing?
Your mind's obviously already made up re. spiritual matters. You don't need me to convince you anything.
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As I said earlier, thereís this supposed phenomenon called ďveil of forgetfulness.Ē Itís meant to be a spiritual veil placed over a soul as it departs the afterlife to fuse with its earthly body to prevent remembrance of life in the afterlife (the hedonic pleasures of life in the afterlife in comparison to Earth, especially if said soul is going to have a tough life on Earth) + past lives (apparently more useful if a soul has had an unpleasant past life). Point is some kids donít lose this memory as they grow up and are still able to retain memories of a prior existence well into adulthood.

Iím no quasi-spiritual wack but Iíve been looking into this recently (and the idea of reincarnation) and both have convincing theories.
Oh I know the general gist of it, I just don't believe it.
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regression is an awesomely fascinating subject, totally under investigated. deep hypnosis will take you back to previous existences, the experiences and journeys are staggering
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Your mind's obviously already made up re. spiritual matters. You don't need me to convince you anything.
oh I see

I have to "open my mind" and "think beyond the rational"


so there is no evidence, you dont know who on earth it would "work" but we are meant to discuss it?

how
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I have to "open my mind" and "think beyond the rational"


so there is no evidence, you dont know who on earth it would "work" but we are meant to discuss it?

how
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0SZp4zI0gU
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Oh I know the general gist of it, I just don't believe it.
I'm not sure I do, either, but there's definitely a lot to be said for it.

Life Before Birth (A Children's Memoir) is an unbiased book that got me questioning the whole thing. A group of scientists in the states collected 2500 cases of children who could recall facts and events from years preceding their birth. I know stuff along those lines can happen with autistic savants but it made me wonder.
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I'm not sure I do, either, but there's definitely a lot to be said for it.

Life Before Birth (A Children's Memoir) is an unbiased book that got me questioning the whole thing. A group of scientists in the states collected 2500 cases of children who could recall facts and events from years preceding their birth. I know stuff along those lines can happen with autistic savants but it made me wonder.
have you got a link to that book pls or the authors name
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have you got a link to that book pls or the authors name
https://www.amazon.com/Life-Before-C...K91G727JR1XGW7

That. Life Before Life, it's called.

Whether or not you believe in the actual person of Jesus, he preached about all this, apparently, which the church would never let on, probably because it’s only read of in the Gnostic gospels. The original batch of gospels weren’t included in the original Bible but were corrupted and remixed by randomers who never saw “Jesus” in person, purely because the early church forefathers deliberately excluded them from the Bible because they didn’t control the masses. Hell fire is also an imaginary concept. Jesus preached reincarnation, karma, pre-birth experience, and stuff like that. By all means be a good person in this life but no-one’s rotting in hell-fire for eternity either way. That’s the one side of the afterlife what definitely doesn’t exist (as much as it would be nice to envision Hitler and rapists being there).

Christianity as it stands today may be somewhat corrupted. But original stuff that Jesus actually preached/taught does heavily feature the likes of reincarnation.

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Old 11-11-2016, 03:18 PM   #24
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Yes its there.



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If anyone is interested in reading about people who have been brought back after being 'dead' for a short time the Raymond Moody books 'Life After Life' and 'The Light Beyond' are good reads. He has tirelessly researched hundreds of cases of what they experienced whilst 'dead' (or NDE's (near death experiences) and how their experiences made them totally convinced of an afterlife and how they all lost their fear of death. Most of these people had 'floated' out of their bodies, moved through a tunnel towards a 'light' from which emanated an overwhelming feeling of love and peace...but were brought back to life before they reached whatever was there...
and they didn't want to come back to this world...
One phenomenon which really interested me was how some people had died on the operating table, floated out of their bodies and out of the operating room, and when they were brought back to life were able to recount seeing their relatives in another room in the hospital, what they had been talking about word for word, what the doctors were telling them, what everyone had been doing etc to everyone's astonishment. How can that be explained? It's all very fascinating, I think.

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