[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

We really don't know what happened and it just seems hard to blame the parents specially if all they really did do was leave her.

I never would have left my children like that, where we went, they went. I found it shocking in itself that parents left them asleep in a room and went off to eat.

Maddie was never left and was dead before the night they reported her missing ,neglect was Mcs alibi without claiming they had left the children, they couldn't claim Maddie had been abducted

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I didn't know that, that seems very odd. But what happened to her? They weren't locals, how would you hide a body for all these years?

Lots of building work going on in PDL ,but my idea is Maddies body was taken to Huelva where there are natural acid baths ,read about the Huelva trip here


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ious-trip.html

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I didn't know that, that seems very odd. But what happened to her? They weren't locals, how would you hide a body for all these years?

They wouldn't have contacted the authorities immediately and gave themselves time in the short term; also confusing the search by lying about the details. Beyond that... not to be grim but... they are doctors and would know how to make a body disappear permanently.

In my opinion it's honestly all the more evidence FOR that theory. Some random local paedophile / child abductor had the ability and knowhow to make a child completely disappear without a trace, leaving behind ZERO evidence?

[Ellen]

If her death was accidental as the police believe why didnt the McCanns report it has an accident rather than go to all the lengths they went to? The most that could have happened was them getting in trouble for neglect by leaving the children alone for a few hrs.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They wouldn't have contacted the authorities immediately and gave themselves time in the short term; also confusing the search by lying about the details. Beyond that... not to be grim but... they are doctors and would know how to make a body disappear permanently.

In my opinion it's honestly all the more evidence FOR that theory. Some random local paedophile / child abductor had the ability and knowhow to make a child completely disappear without a trace, leaving behind ZERO evidence?

Exactly and the fact that one minute the McCanns said the window had been tampered with and was opened, this was proved to be incorrect, then suddenly they'd left the patio door unlocked when originally they said it was locked, I mean if your child had genuinely disappeared you would just tell the truth in order to find your child and worry about the consequences of what you did wrong another time

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

If her death was accidental as the police believe why didnt the McCanns report it has an accident rather than go to all the lengths they went to? The most that could have happened was them getting in trouble for neglect by leaving the children alone for a few hrs.

Unless anything was found in her system to make her sleep, then they would probably both lose their careers as doctors and possibly their other 2 children not to mention their reputations and their lives as they know them. Also possibly face jail time

[the truth]

they are truly horrific people

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Unless anything was found in her system to make her sleep, then they would probably both lose their careers as doctors and possibly their other 2 children not to mention their reputations and their lives as they know them

I think they found Calpol in her system, app they used to give this to the children most nights to help them sleep. I dont think i would have been thinking about my career or anything other than my child if i found her dead.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I think they found Calpol in her system, app they used to give this to the children most nights to help them sleep. I dont think i would have been thinking about my career or anything other than my child if i found her dead.

How could they have found Calpol in her system when they never found her/her body? You may not have thought about your career but people are different, if Maddie was already dead nothing they could do would bring her back so maybe they decided not to risk losing their other two children as well and their careers and possibly end up in Prison?

I would not have left my children(babies really lets be honest) alone while I went out eating and drinking but they were obviously ok to do this so there you go, you can't decide how people will act based on what you personally would do

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I think they found Calpol in her system, app they used to give this to the children most nights to help them sleep. I dont think i would have been thinking about my career or anything other than my child if i found her dead.

And these were doctors?....

Calpol is used to bring down a temperature in poorly kids...they're not knockout drops, like any painkiller you can build up a resistance to it, meaning when the kids really are poorly it won't work.

I think this is a fantastic result, I look forward to hearing the 'deleted scenes' of the police interviews from all parties involved hopefully they will come out soon.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How could they have found Calpol in her system when they never found her/her body? You may not have thought about your career but people are different, if Maddie was already dead nothing they could do would bring her back so maybe they decided not to risk losing their other two children as well and their careers and possibly end up in Prison?

I would not have left my children(babies really lets be honest) alone while I went out eating and drinking but they were obviously ok to do this so there you go, you can't decide how people will act based on what you personally would do

Sorry I heard it wrong from the video, the police were informed that the children had been given Calpol.
I like you would not have left my children/babies alone while i went out either, all i am saying is they went to some extreme measures and told a lot of lies to cover up leaving their children alone where one died.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Sorry I heard it wrong from the video, the police were informed that the children had been given Calpol.
I like you would not have left my children/babies alone while i went out either, all i am saying is they went to some extreme measures and told a lot of lies to cover up leaving their children alone where one died.

Well that's what people who are trying to cover something up do isn't it? They lie

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And these were doctors?....

Calpol is used to bring down a temperature in poorly kids...they're not knockout drops, like any painkiller you can build up a resistance to it, meaning when the kids really are poorly it won't work.

I think this is a fantastic result, I look forward to hearing the 'deleted scenes' of the police interviews from all the party involved hopefully they will come out soon.

Yeah, it doesnt look good giving that stuff to your kids/babies to make them sleepy, all so they could go out & drink/eat with friends.

[arista]

Yes debated on Ch5HD AM Live
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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Unless anything was found in her system to make her sleep, then they would probably both lose their careers as doctors and possibly their other 2 children not to mention their reputations and their lives as they know them. Also possibly face jail time

Doping with over-the-counter antihisthemines, it's so scarily common, especially with the upper middle classes. People talk about it like it's a normal thing to do . My belief is that this is the one and ONLY reason that the Maddie story ever became a story. Her death was almost certainly accidental and tragic, and they would simply have called the authorities and it would have been ruled as such. It would have gotten a few column inches in The Sun simply because it happened abroad... and that would have been the end of it.

But if she had drugs in her system, that turns an accident into manslaughter, they couldn't let a postmortem be performed, and so they had to create an entire story that would explain her being physically missing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Doping with over-the-counter antihisthemines, it's so scarily common, especially with the upper middle classes. People talk about it like it's a normal thing to do . My belief is that this is the one and ONLY reason that the Maddie story ever became a story. Her death was almost certainly accidental and tragic, and they would simply have called the authorities and it would have been ruled as such. It would have gotten a few column inches in The Sun simply because it happened abroad... and that would have been the end of it.

But if she had drugs in her system, that turns an accident into manslaughter, they couldn't let a postmortem be performed, and so they had to create an entire story that would explain her being physically missing.

Yep seems like the most likely scenario really

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Yeah, it doesnt look good giving that stuff to your kids/babies to make them sleepy, all so they could go out & drink/eat with friends.

Is it likely that two doctors, who would have been fully aware of their daugher's medical and allergy status as well as any family history of any such issues, would have accidentally overdosed her. I don't buy it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Is it likely that two doctors, who would have been fully aware of their daugher's medical and allergy status as well as any family history of any such issues, would have accidentally overdosed her. I don't buy it.

I don't think that's what people think, that she overdosed and died. Goncalo Amarals theory is that she woke up, drowsy from sleep and having some medication in her system and had a fall, hit her head and died

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think that's what people think, that she overdosed and died. Goncalo Amarals theory is that she woke up, drowsy from sleep and having some medication in her system and had a fall, hit her head and died

I don't know, without some evidence of that it sounds like clutching at straws to me.

Maybe in one sense it would be preferable to know that she didn't suffer like she may have done if taken, but awful for her parents if this line of thought that they were somehow involved proves to be wrong. Can't imagine that, it would feel like the abuse of bereaved parents. I prefer to remain optimistic on this one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't know, without some evidence of that it sounds like clutching at straws to me.

Maybe in one sense it would be preferable to know that she didn't suffer like she may have done if taken, but awful for her parents if this line of thought that they were somehow involved proves to be wrong. Can't imagine that, it would feel like the abuse of bereaved parents. I prefer to remain optimistic on this one.

Yeah, I get that and as a parent I really do but with this one there just seems to be more pointing to them being involved than not, they've lied about that night and changed their stories numerous times plus those cadavar/blood dogs found cadavar scent on Kates clothes and in the wardrobe of their apartment. Also, i believe they also found blood on the floor behind the couch. And in cases like this it usually ends up being a family member who knows something or was involved

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Maddie was never left and was dead before the night they reported her missing ,neglect was Mcs alibi without claiming they had left the children, they couldn't claim Maddie had been abducted

On this issue, I regard all your points as really strong and I know you have really analysed the events,during and afterwards too.

Everything you say is compelling and you by your.efforts have been very convincing to me.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't know, without some evidence of that it sounds like clutching at straws to me.

Maybe in one sense it would be preferable to know that she didn't suffer like she may have done if taken, but awful for her parents if this line of thought that they were somehow involved proves to be wrong. Can't imagine that, it would feel like the abuse of bereaved parents. I prefer to remain optimistic on this one.

I get how people can see it as clutching at straws... until you consider the alternative.

Which is that someone managed to sneak into the room and take her, unseen, unheard, not one witness, in the immediate area or in fact the whole town, and she was discovered missing fairly quickly and a search started immediately and found absolutely no trace of anyone. AND the person who took her left behind NO evidence of any kind. Not a fingerprint, not a footprint, not a hair. And the McCanns claimed that he came in through a window and then changed the story when that was found to be impossible.

Unless she was kidnapped by a Navy SEAL ... their story is clutching at straws. There's no evidence of it whatsoever... it's complete fantasy.

Also not saying they overdosed her, in fact more likely they were careful giving only a small dose, which would be why she still woke up, but in a groggy and confused state, and liable to get into an accident.

[Kizzy]

Put them on Jeremy Kyle! He'll have it sorted before you can say 'shattap'!!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think that's what people think, that she overdosed and died. Goncalo Amarals theory is that she woke up, drowsy from sleep and having some medication in her system and had a fall, hit her head and died

yep sounds about right

[Black Dagger]

Bored of these killers now.