[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Should the context have been the same then that would have been easier to determine.
I agree it should be reacted to equally.

I don't think the video was well planned. When I saw her hitting him around the head and pulling his hair and taking some real swipes at him, I was zoomed in on her actions. The problem is, she was fairly quiet and so her aggression went somewhat under the radar. He was screaming which immediately brought a lot of attention to what was happening. His loudness sounded very aggressive and at times it was hard to understand what he was shouting.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I am talking real life, not some set up scenario on video.
Sometimes a quick slap back is better than the police time etc. .

can you give me an exmple of a time where physical/violent retaliation is the most appropriate course of action. I cant think of any.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I mean i would love to have seen that.She didn't take any ****.
However now imagine that your friend is a big bloke and a smaller woman was walking down behind you and verbally abusing him and he turned round said 'excuse me one moment' and gave her one strike that decked her.....
Do you think your reaction would've been any different?

Honestly? I would of been horrified.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Withano

I know the Truth didnt make a point but I'd imagine hes trying to highlight the inequality of men
Firstly shut up
Secondly how can we compare a woman lightly pushing a guy around because he was texting somebody else, to a man screaming and pushing a woman to the ground with force in retaliation to his wrongdoings
What a terrible experiment.

It was more than "lightly pushing a guy around". Sure, the guy's retaliation was more aggressive (in the first instance, not so much in the last one yet that wannabe hero still felt the need to jump in only when he retaliated), but the woman was still being plenty aggressive. As for focusing on "his wrongdoings", I find it hard to believe that people would be as forgiving if a man was "lightly pushing around" his girlfriend just because he suspected her of being unfaithful and putting all the blame for the situation on her faults. The only one ever to blame for violence in a relationship is the instigator of the violence, male or female irregardless.

Actually, that reminds me of another one of these experiments I saw (one where the level of aggression from both parties was pretty equal). One woman walking past while the woman was being aggressive did a little fist pump and when asked about it afterwards said "I just assumed he deserved it". Yet in the very same experiment, nobody voiced anything close to that attitude when the roles were reversed.

I know people ever bringing up the situations where men are disadvantaged is taboo on here for some reason but it isn't always unwarranted and to do so doesn't make someone a woman hater or a "meninist". Where domestic abuse is concerned, clearly there's still an issue in regards to the way female-on-male aggression is seen and I think it's good for it to be talked about. Actually, it isn't even confined to domestic abuse, the number of times I've seen a woman slapping a man (and not "lightly" either) used for comedy on TV and film is ridiculous.

[the truth]

take a look at sharon osbourne

exhibit a - laughing at a man who has his penis cut off and is bleeding to death on a mainstream feminist show, shown to tens of millions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmanLIAdXI

its ok for her to throw water in the face of simon cowell and louis walsh too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG63QbbzoIk

another of her shows , she interviewed female murderers in prison and told them they were right to do what they did and deserved to be released


another social experiment discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFvEzIzQwg



this is a great video , judge pirro kicks ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSj4lvbS_3A

[the truth]

heers feminists on rolondo fighting against having any shelters for battered men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOJIAp7sYU4

[Niamh.]

Told you it was the feminists fault again NM

[the truth]

heres another woman who lied for 10 months about domestic abuse and he went to prison etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZXbl9_l38M

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its not the worst. I'm just highlighting why the experiment means nothing. You cant make any conclusions about gender because of the differences in the way they behaved in this "social experiment".
You cant be like 'oh they ignored the lovers tiff, but they stand up against men who border on actual physical violence, therefore men are treated worse'.

No constant in an experiment = no real experiment = no conclusions.

It would have been interesting to see a weak looking man lightly shove a stronger looking woman with loud claims of her texting someone else before she pelted him to the ground with harrowing yells.

Yes..an equal experiment would prove the point that this one is attempting to prove much better I think.

Though it does seem to be acceptable for women to hit men. On TV you see it all of the time...often in a 'funny' sense too.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

It was more than "lightly pushing a guy around". Sure, the guy's retaliation was more aggressive

Actually, that reminds me of another one of these experiments I saw (one where the level of aggression from both parties was pretty equal). One woman walking past while the woman was being aggressive did a little fist pump and when asked about it afterwards said "I just assumed he deserved it". Yet in the very same experiment, nobody voiced anything close to that attitude when the roles were reversed.

I mean, this was more the point I was making.
The social experiment means nothing because of the reason I left from within your first paragraph, and it would be interesting to see a video like the one you saw to have a discussion on this properly.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Though it does seem to be acceptable for women to hit men. On TV you see it all of the time...often in a 'funny' sense too.

I only see that being used in a funny sense when the female is obviously weaker than the male, and the punch is used playfully.
I dont think many would see comedy in a female bodybuilder punching a skinny nervous looking male.
I think it will be hard to find a decent comparison, but I'd imagine people would react similarly

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I only see that being used in a funny sense when the female is obviously weaker than the male, and the punch is used playfully.
I dont think many would see comedy in a female bodybuilder punching a skinny nervous looking male.
I think it will be hard to find a decent comparison, but I'd imagine people would react similarly

Oh yeah, usually big men being slapped by much smaller women and such I agree.

Still think we shouldn't normalize it to the degree we do though

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean, this was more the point I was making.
The social experiment means nothing because of the reason I left from within your first paragraph, and it would be interesting to see a video like the one you saw to have a discussion on this properly.

But the part of my first paragraph you left intact was in reference only to the first section of the experiment. The last section had the woman being the more aggressive party in my opinion (and he's hardly some big burly muscle man is he?), and yet still only the man's retaliation spurred intervention. I thought that was worthy of discussion.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

But the part of my first paragraph you left intact was in reference only to the first section of the experiment. The last section had the woman being the more aggressive party in my opinion (and he's hardly some big burly muscle man is he?), and yet still only the man's retaliation spurred intervention. I thought that was worthy of discussion.

I dont entirely agree, the female was the one who was pushed to the ground in a way which would suggest she was no longer able to defend herself, whereas the man stays calm and on two legs whilst blocking her hits throughout.
Its just a terrible social experiment made by children, for children. I dont think this it says anything about human behaviour. It would (still) be interesting to see an experiment which does.

[the truth]

Heres another one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOyrYThlOag

[Marsh.]

Poor men.

[the truth]

heres some harder line facts and personal stories of domestic violence against men, the women justified it by sayingt he men werent giving them enough attention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCV8W7J-to

40% of victims of domestic violence are men, imagine how much more that would be if men came forward and there were actual shelters, charities and support networks for male victims as there are for women

[Marsh.]

So, you're saying men are the secret majority of domestic violence victims?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont entirely agree, the female was the one who was pushed to the ground in a way which would suggest she was no longer able to defend herself, whereas the man stays calm and on two legs whilst blocking her hits throughout.
Its just a terrible social experiment made by children, for children. I dont think this it says anything about human behaviour. It would (still) be interesting to see an experiment which does.

That's not what I saw. He ends up on the ground at one point and is yanked by his hair more than once. And "no longer able to defend herself" is an odd way to refer to the one instigating the aggression. I absolutely think her actions were more jarring in that part.

I get your reservations about the first section (although I completely disagree with his response in any way diluting her actions) but I think the last section is definitely worthy of discussion.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

That's not what I saw. He ends up on the ground at one point and is yanked by his hair more than once. And "no longer able to defend herself" is an odd way to refer to the one instigating the aggression. I absolutely think her actions were more jarring in that part.

I get your reservations about the first section (although I completely disagree with his response in any way diluting her actions) but I think the last section is definitely worthy of discussion.

Bottom line for me is, I think people would have stepped in if they felt as if there was a possibility of this man becoming physically injured. This experiment did not portray this man is such a way, but it did portray the woman this way twice.

Any social commentry about this video is purely based on an uneven and misleading experiment rather than conclusions that can be drawn about human behaviour.

It would be interesting to see if a well-made social experiment would yield similar results.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Withano

can you give me an exmple of a time where physical/violent retaliation is the most appropriate course of action. I cant think of any.

Yes, in my teens.
If you didn't hit back you would get more of it on a regular basis.
Forget about grassing people up for a drunken argy bargy as well, life wouldn't have been worth living.
I suppose the rough side of life must have been really tougher back in the day.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So, you're saying men are the secret majority of domestic violence victims?

as usual youre lying again

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

as usual youre lying again

Lying? I asked you question?