Arthur is arthur on the autistic spectrum?

[ethanjames]

I saw a thread on twitter saying that Arthur was showing signs that he was autistic and it had got me wondering if anybody else had noticed that? my younger brother is autistic so I can commonly pick up certain signs and he does seem to show symptom's of it.

[snail69]

This was mentioned in another thread. I also have thought this during the last two episodes to be honest as well. For me it's his social awkwardness that sticks out more than anything.

He's clearly quite intelligent but he just doesn't seem to know how to act around others.

Obviously, his whole time in there could have just been an act from him but he definitely showed signs of being autistic if it wasn't.

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[ethanjames]

QUOTE=snail69;9354497]This was mentioned in another thread. I also have thought this during the last two episodes to be honest as well. For me it's his social awkwardness that sticks out more than anything.

He's clearly quite intelligent but he just doesn't seem to know how to act around others.

Obviously, his whole time in there could have just been an act from him but he definitely showed signs of being autistic if it wasn't.

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Yes he clearly is very smart but he just seems to be very socially awkward. His only friend seems to be raph who is very calm and comforting and tries to see things from different perspectives. It would explain why he got so annoyed about the carrot as most people on the spectrum have some kind of routine and when its changed it can trigger something. Once again it could be an act but he is clearly showing signs he is on the spectrum.

[Epic.]

He isn't, I would know

[letmein]

Reminded me of Aspergers.

[Withano]

I think he was just brought up with little discipline and never needed to show regard for others, cos he can have what he wants, whenever he wants it...

Looking over the DSM-5 checklist, I dont actually think he meets any of the 6 criteria for it

[Epic.]

As an autistic person myself, Arthur is not autistic just because he thinks differently and has social difficulties. Makes no sense.

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by Epic.

As an autistic person myself, Arthur is not autistic just because he thinks differently and has social difficulties. Makes no sense.

you say that but I'm autistic and so is my brother and we both act very alike to him.

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by ethanjames

you say that but I'm autistic and so is my brother and we both act very alike to him.

Just because you find him similar to you doesn't immediately constitute him as autistic

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think he was just brought up with little discipline and never needed to show regard for others, cos he can have what he wants, whenever he wants it...

Looking over the DSM-5 checklist, I dont actually think he meets any of the 6 criteria for it

Actually it seemed like he did somewhat but he wasn't exactly sure how to phrase it. I don't think he thought he could do whatever he wanted I think he just got frustrated when something didn't work for routine. looking back he sympathised with quite a few people. We only see 45 mins of their whole day so its pretty arguable to think that they cut out bits purposely where he does go under the checklist.

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by Epic.

Just because you find him similar to you doesn't immediately constitute him as autistic

and just because they don't act exactly like you it doesn't mean they aren't on the spectrum.

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by letmein

Reminded me of Aspergers.

Possibly or maybe a type of autism which isn't as common so people don't automatically assume hes on the spectrum.

[mizzy25]

yes I thought so too

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ethanjames

Actually it seemed like he did somewhat but he wasn't exactly sure how to phrase it. I don't think he thought he could do whatever he wanted I think he just got frustrated when something didn't work for routine. looking back he sympathised with quite a few people. We only see 45 mins of their whole day so its pretty arguable to think that they cut out bits purposely where he does go under the checklist.

Which aspects of the checklist do you think he meets? His routine behaviour doesnt exist, his frustration was not being able to cope without cigarettes, and is extremely common withdrawel based behaviour.

Your best piece of evidence for his autistic traits is that we only see 45 minutes, so there might be parts in the other 23 hours that would fit

[Tregard]

I didn't get that vibe, he just seemed isolated

[Shaun]

There seems to be a rush to describe every outsider and loner as autistic with every new series and it's a little bit...disturbing.

[Vicky.]

I actually thought this. My best mate from school has Aspergers Syndrome and he reminded me a LOT of her. It looked like much more than simply not being comfortable.

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

There seems to be a rush to describe every outsider and loner as autistic with every new series and it's a little bit...disturbing.

This

[Jessica.]

Aspergers doesn't get diagnosed any more btw.

I don't think he has high functioning autism though, I act similarly to him in some respects, not knowing how to act in social situations and stuff like that but I haven't been diagnosed with anything like that. Some people just grew up like this without having some kind of condition to cause it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Aspergers doesn't get diagnosed any more btw.

I don't think he has high functioning autism though, I act similarly to him in some respects, not knowing how to act in social situations and stuff like that but I haven't been diagnosed with anything like that. Some people just grew up like this without having some kind of condition to cause it.

Does it not, why? Thats a bit weird as I am pretty sure it still exists :S

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by Withano

Which aspects of the checklist do you think he meets? His routine behaviour doesnt exist, his frustration was not being able to cope without cigarettes, and is extremely common withdrawel based behaviour.

Your best piece of evidence for his autistic traits is that we only see 45 minutes, so there might be parts in the other 23 hours that would fit

You cannot judge somebody due to what a list says as the spectrum is very large and people react in very different ways. I wasn't diagnosed with autism until I was 14 and a lot of people are misjudged because of their very "flawed" way of diagnosing people. that being said he goes under the first sector well with not being able to communicate with people in the same way everyone else does. it is all up for discussion once again but I watch big brother with my family and they agree with me. but I might obviously be wrong and I have just misjudged everything

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Does it not, why? Thats a bit weird as I am pretty sure it still exists :S

There is just a scale of autism, low functioning to high functioning, aspergers was just another name for high functioning autism. With early intervention, people can move up the spectrum, for example going from non-verbal to verbal, which means going from lower functioning to higher functioning. Advancement in therapy and intervention basically blurred the lines between low functioning and high functioning so it's not really practical to give high functioning autism a different diagnosis any more.

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by Tregard

I didn't get that vibe, he just seemed isolated

I don't think he was isolated as he did "attempt" to get himself involved. that being said you can never know for sure.

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by Shaun

There seems to be a rush to describe every outsider and loner as autistic with every new series and it's a little bit...disturbing.

I wouldn't exactly describe Arthur as an outsider. that being said this is my first time being invested in big brother and I usually don't jump to conclusions but Arthur seems to be a little bit different to everyone else. not that this could result to him being autistic of course but he does show quite a few symptoms and I wouldn't cross it out as a possibility.

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I actually thought this. My best mate from school has Aspergers Syndrome and he reminded me a LOT of her. It looked like much more than simply not being comfortable.

EXACTLY!! there is a difference than being autistic and isolated. he just didn't seem to connect in the way everyone else did which is a real shame. also people on the spectrum often become attached to people in the house and for Arthur that was probably raph who is kind and different to the other housemates as he is a lot quieter.