[Shaun]

What on earth does "Kieran owned it" even mean? Like it's OK to steal from the rest of the house and keep a personal stash for your clique? lmao

[fitz2k2]

There is another side to Kieron. He wants to go off on few housemates , but he knows deep down if he did he would be evicted. He is taking pages from Jason.Past housemate.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by SteveG2688

I agree, he fessed up but didnt like that he got caught in the first place so tried to turn the situation around on Raph and make him look bad for not calling anyone else out for it.

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Kieron hiding the drinks...like many have done before him. Raph calling him out for it..fair enough but Kieron made him look stupid tonight. Kieron owned it but pulled him up for picking him out when others have done the same thing. Raphs only response was "well I saw you do it"...when others have done the same thing why hasn't he pulled them up for being selfish and that its for all of them.
Kieron not only owned it he tried to shake hands on it and Raph wouldn't take it.
Raph was quite happy to shake hands and move on with Joe on 2 occasions...but couldn't be the bigger person tonight.
Raph feels threatened by Kieron...and wanted to make him look bad.
Backfired IMO..Raph made himself look stupid by not being the forgiving person he is trying to make us believe he is.

I totally agree rusti,the only time Raph has been passionate was about one can of drink,seriously, they all hide stuff, I did not like this shifty move by Raph.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by fitz2k2

There is another side to Kieron. He wants to go off on few housemates , but he knows deep down if he did he would be evicted. He is taking pages from Jason.Past housemate.

rubbish.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

Kieran clocked him, Sukhvinder was one of the first to take extra wine and no one complained, Raph was embarrassed that Kieran turned it round on him which is why he didn't shake his hand, it was a can of spiced wine, whatever that is : umm2: it wasn't as if he hoarded 14 cans

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Kieran clocked him, Sukhvinder was one of the first to take extra wine and no one complained, Raph was embarrassed that Kieran turned it round on him which is why he didn't shake his hand, it was a can of spiced wine, whatever that is : umm2: it wasn't as if he hoarded 14 cans

Yes it was petty and aimed at embarrasing Keiran, instead Raph got scalped

[Vanessa]

Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it. He should have just admitted it and it would have ended there. But now, he tried to me Raph look bad. Doesn't matter of others have taken booze as well. Doesn't make what Kieran did right.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

They like each other. Raph was only annoyed because Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it and wouldn't admit it.

[Vanessa]

At the end of the show they seemed OK with each other. So I don't think they will fall out. Otherwise I will have to get in there and knock their heads together

[Nicky91]

not Kieran going against Raph

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

not Kieran going against Raph

Was just a lovers tiff. They said they liked each other

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Kieron hiding the drinks...like many have done before him. Raph calling him out for it..fair enough but Kieron made him look stupid tonight. Kieron owned it but pulled him up for picking him out when others have done the same thing. Raphs only response was "well I saw you do it"...when others have done the same thing why hasn't he pulled them up for being selfish and that its for all of them.
Kieron not only owned it he tried to shake hands on it and Raph wouldn't take it.
Raph was quite happy to shake hands and move on with Joe on 2 occasions...but couldn't be the bigger person tonight.
Raph feels threatened by Kieron...and wanted to make him look bad.
Backfired IMO..Raph made himself look stupid by not being the forgiving person he is trying to make us believe he is.

Not a good move for Snake Boy

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really ? Raph has admitted he is a gameplayer,he has never pulled anyone else up for hiding stuff and they all do it, he knows Keiran is popular,so it's a good gameplay to make Keiran look bad,this is the only time Raph has actually been passionate about something, I wonder if he would have done the same if Chanelle had done it,? we all know the answer to that don't we ?

Tom took some too, if Raph saw Kieron do it he must have seen Tom too as they did it together,but he knew Tom is fiery and would have turned on him (coward) so went for the soft option,but ended up with egg on his face

[DrunkerThanMoses]

After watching the clip, Kerion was in the wrong, he got caught out for being a selfish twat, then tried to make out Raph was targeting him because Raph called him out on it, pathetic from Kerion. If you want drinks ask the whole house first.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

After watching the clip, Kerion was in the wrong, he got caught out for being a selfish twat, then tried to make out Raph was targeting him because Raph called him out on it, pathetic from Kerion. If you want drinks ask the whole house first.

Raph not shaking his hand made me smile. Raph was angry

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Kieran was in the wrong, he tried to deflect but it didn't work on me, and I doubt it will on many people too.

And the way him and Sam followed Raph out into the Garden to basically gang up on him 2 on 1 is not the sign of someone that's confident that they've got enough valid points to take him on on his own.

Totally right Mock.

Nothing to add to all you've said there from me.

I was really disappointed in Kieran actually.

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I fully agree rg. Kieran is my winner for the past few weeks. Raph singled him out even though a few of the boys hid the drink. Raph is one of the most useless housemates I have ever seen and I hope he hasn't a chance of winning.

Well he made Kieran "your winner" relevant for two minutes, so he can't be all bad.

I like Kieran but if Raph is being labelled a "gameplayer" then I can't imagine what hyperbole could be handed to him!

(We have made this a bigger issue than it is, they would be back on friendly terms five minutes later...)

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Well he made Kieran "your winner" relevant for two minutes, so he can't be all bad.

I like Kieran but if Raph is being labelled a "gameplayer" then I can't imagine what hyperbole could be handed to him!

(We have made this a bigger issue than it is, they would be back on friendly terms five minutes later...)

They seemed fine with each other at the end of the show. They even said they liked each other. It's a small disagreement.

[Niamh.]

I disagree, i think raph came out on top there

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly.

Kieran might have a point on what he was saying (I doubt that any of us will truly know) but on the argument itself Kieran shouldn't have hid the Alcohol so he is in the wrong.

The thing is that people need to remember aswell is that Raph doesn't hate Kieran so there's no negative agenda going on from Raph's perspective.

There is a negative agenda...he sees Kieron as competition. Kept his cool...everyone's mate and great looks for the female vote. Raph sees him as huge competition..

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Kieran tried to weasel his way out of it. He should have just admitted it and it would have ended there. But now, he tried to me Raph look bad. Doesn't matter of others have taken booze as well. Doesn't make what Kieran did right.

Kieron didn't try to wriggle out of it...he was pissed off Raph only pulled him up for it. Kieron owned up to it...he didn't deny it or weasel out of it so you are mistaken. Raph made himself look bad...they both said they liked each other but Raph wasn't big enough to shake his hand.
Raph is trying to play Kieron now...antagonise him (because we all now he loves to set people up ...VT) because Kieron is massive competition.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Kieron didn't try to wriggle out of it...he was pissed off Raph only pulled him up for it. Kieron owned up to it...he didn't deny it or weasel out of it so you are mistaken. Raph made himself look bad...they both said they liked each other but Raph wasn't big enough to shake his hand.
Raph is trying to play Kieron now...antagonise him (because we all now he loves to set people up ...VT) because Kieron is massive competition.

Spot on Rusti !!

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

There is a negative agenda...he sees Kieron as competition. Kept his cool...everyone's mate and great looks for the female vote. Raph sees him as huge competition..

Can you admit that Kieran is purposely holding in his temper then?