[Saph]

Joanne is just boring and Gaga can do a lot better

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Saph

Joanne is just boring and Gaga can do a lot better

I think she's burned herself out. After Born This Way everything went tits up. I mean, Artpop is just a huge mess and nobody wanted or really cared about Cheek to Cheek - and the less said about Joanne, the better. lol.

[Samm]

artpoop is underrated

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

I think she's burned herself out. After Born This Way everything went tits up. I mean, Artpop is just a huge mess and nobody wanted or really cared about Cheek to Cheek - and the less said about Joanne, the better. lol.

Drag ha!

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Drag ha!

[lewis111]

ARTPOP is over hated
Joanne is clearly her weakest work IMO

[Dominic]

atleast CHARTFLOP has Sexxx Dreams and DWUW and GUY and Venus, while Joanne is tragic outside of Perfect Delusion

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Dominic

atleast CHARTFLOP has Sexxx Dreams and DWUW and GUY and Venus, while Joanne is tragic outside of Perfect Delusion

The line "when I lay in bed I touch myself and I think of you" is in itself better than Joanne

[TomC]

Let me make it clear I LOVE Rainbow

but I can't @ the Gaga and more spefically, Joanne shade in here. Yes, Artpop may be more fun to listen to, but it's messy and there's no arguing with the fact that Joanne is the stronger artistic vision.

Just cos it might not sit right with your musical taste, you can't knock a highly personal, stripped back, well-produced album like Joanne!

This chick has evolved and I just don't understand why she gets dragged for not being relevant to pop culture anymore, and standing up to the way she used to be when she's evolved and CrazyGa was her early-20s image.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by lewis111

The line "when I lay in bed I touch myself and I think of you" is in itself better than Joanne

I lay around touch myself to pass the time >>>

[EspeonBB]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

I think she's burned herself out. After Born This Way everything went tits up. I mean, Artpop is just a huge mess and nobody wanted or really cared about Cheek to Cheek - and the less said about Joanne, the better. lol.

I agree

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by TomC

Let me make it clear I LOVE Rainbow

but I can't @ the Gaga and more spefically, Joanne shade in here. Yes, Artpop may be more fun to listen to, but it's messy and there's no arguing with the fact that Joanne is the stronger artistic vision.

Just cos it might not sit right with your musical taste, you can't knock a highly personal, stripped back, well-produced album like Joanne!

This chick has evolved and I just don't understand why she gets dragged for not being relevant to pop culture anymore, and standing up to the way she used to be when she's evolved and CrazyGa was her early-20s image.

She get's dragged because (as well as the music being utter sh!te) she's as fake and manipulative as they come. Everything she does is forced. Nothing is organic. She claims she doesn't write for the charts but it's all she ever goes on about - well, that and winning as many accolades as possible. It's almost as if she think's she's a failure if she doesn't reach #1 or win any awards. Everything's just one big competition to her. Just look at how she reacted when Katy Perry's "Roar" kicked the living daylights out of "Applause". Anyone else would've congratulated the artist who pipped them to the post, but not her, she went and had a strop like the silly little girl she is.

I usually enjoy a good stripped back album, but Joanne was awful. I find it laughable how some fans think it was the most personal record ever. Have they ever heard of Tapestry by Carole King? Or Blue by Joni Mitchell?

There's nothing "Artistic" about Joanne whatsoever. The visual imagery had already been done before and by better artists. and singing about dead people isn't something new either. It always makes me laugh when she talks about having a deep rooted connection with her deceased aunt in interviews - like she knew her or something, but she died 12 years before Gags was born. All she knows is what she was told by her family. I wouldn't be surprised if she used her aunt to make what she considers a personal record to get sympathy from the public after the abysmal sales of Artflop,. I'm guessing most of us saw through the bullsh!t and that's why it backfired spectacularly.

[Dominic]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

She get's dragged because (as well as the music being utter sh!te) she's as fake and manipulative as they come. Everything she does is forced. Nothing is organic. She claims she doesn't write for the charts but it's all she ever goes on about - well, that and winning as many accolades as possible. It's almost as if she think's she's a failure if she doesn't reach #1 or win any awards. Everything's just one big competition to her. Just look at how she reacted when Katy Perry's "Roar" kicked the living daylights out of "Applause". Anyone else would've congratulated the artist who pipped them to the post, but not her, she went and had a strop like the silly little girl she is.

I usually enjoy a good stripped back album, but Joanne was awful. I find it laughable how some fans think it was the most personal record ever. Have they ever heard of Tapestry by Carole King? Or Blue by Joni Mitchell?

There's nothing "Artistic" about Joanne whatsoever. The visual imagery had already been done before and by better artists. and singing about dead people isn't something new either. It always makes me laugh when she talks about having a deep rooted connection with her deceased aunt in interviews - like she knew her or something, but she died 12 years before Gags was born. All she knows is what she was told by her family. I wouldn't be surprised if she used her aunt to make what she considers a personal record to get sympathy from the public after the abysmal sales of Artflop,. I'm guessing most of us saw through the bullsh!t and that's why it backfired spectacularly.

[Daniel-X]

I can't choose, both are crap

[Daniel.]

Rainbow is an amazing album so Kesh

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

I can't choose, both are crap

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

I can't choose, both are crap

Proof that opinions can be wrong.

[LukeB]

Miley will do better than both

[TomC]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

She get's dragged because (as well as the music being utter sh!te) she's as fake and manipulative as they come. Everything she does is forced. Nothing is organic. She claims she doesn't write for the charts but it's all she ever goes on about - well, that and winning as many accolades as possible. It's almost as if she think's she's a failure if she doesn't reach #1 or win any awards. Everything's just one big competition to her. Just look at how she reacted when Katy Perry's "Roar" kicked the living daylights out of "Applause". Anyone else would've congratulated the artist who pipped them to the post, but not her, she went and had a strop like the silly little girl she is.

I usually enjoy a good stripped back album, but Joanne was awful. I find it laughable how some fans think it was the most personal record ever. Have they ever heard of Tapestry by Carole King? Or Blue by Joni Mitchell?

There's nothing "Artistic" about Joanne whatsoever. The visual imagery had already been done before and by better artists. and singing about dead people isn't something new either. It always makes me laugh when she talks about having a deep rooted connection with her deceased aunt in interviews - like she knew her or something, but she died 12 years before Gags was born. All she knows is what she was told by her family. I wouldn't be surprised if she used her aunt to make what she considers a personal record to get sympathy from the public after the abysmal sales of Artflop,. I'm guessing most of us saw through the bullsh!t and that's why it backfired spectacularly.

As I said before, the music being '****e' is your opinion, you can't drag her because EDM and country music aren't your thing.

'Everything is forced' and 'nothing is organic'. Where did you get these baseless accusations?

Joanne is 'art' in the sense that each song conveys a chapter in her life I'd say. From a song about her sexual abuse, to rising above her breakup, to getting through her best friend's illness, she touches on just about every emotional aspect of her current life.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by TomC

As I said before, the music being '****e' is your opinion, you can't drag her because EDM and country music aren't your thing.

Who said EDM and country music isn't my thing? I loved Avicii's album.

I also listen to Dolly Parton, Kenny Rogers, Reba McEntire, Glen Campbell and Crystal Gayle regularly and that's just country music - the one's who actually did it right. My favourite EDM artists are Avicii, Calvin Harris, Skrillex, David Guetta and that's just the tip of the iceberg, so trying to discredit my opinion on that basis because I didn't enjoy Joanne is hilarious.

Originally Posted by TomC

Joanne is 'art' in the sense that each song conveys a chapter in her life I'd say. From a song about her sexual abuse, to rising above her breakup, to getting through her best friend's illness, she touches on just about every emotional aspect of her current life.

Apart from her dead aunt, I bet most of what she talks about in that album is fiction. We already know she regularly tells lies and enjoys playing the victim, so I find it hard to believe anything that comes out of her repugnant hole, tbh.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by TomC

Let me make it clear I LOVE Rainbow

but I can't @ the Gaga and more spefically, Joanne shade in here. Yes, Artpop may be more fun to listen to, but it's messy and there's no arguing with the fact that Joanne is the stronger artistic vision.

Just cos it might not sit right with your musical taste, you can't knock a highly personal, stripped back, well-produced album like Joanne!

This chick has evolved and I just don't understand why she gets dragged for not being relevant to pop culture anymore, and standing up to the way she used to be when she's evolved and CrazyGa was her early-20s image.

Agree with this. I haven't heard Rainbow but Joanne's a great album (her best imo). I think a lot of the backlash against it was because it wasn't what was expected from her and because of comparisons to her earlier work, but I think it'll be looked back on much more favourably than it is now.

[Jamie89]

I've just been listening to Rainbow and it's excellent I've avoided it coz I've always disliked Kesha but I thought I'd give it a chance after this thread and wow I'm not sure which one I prefer though it might need more listens!

[y.winter]

Boots is actually playing on repeat. It's pretty good

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I've just been listening to Rainbow and it's excellent I've avoided it coz I've always disliked Kesha but I thought I'd give it a chance after this thread and wow I'm not sure which one I prefer though it might need more listens!

why dislike legend kesh tho

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

why dislike legend kesh tho

I just never really liked her songs tbh... I hated Tik Tok so she got off to a bad start with me I liked Blow but other than that I just never really thought much of her.