[Brillopad]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/842...gel-Farage-LBC

Some very relevant points made here. Enough is enough. People ere entitled to differing opinions without being personally attacked.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Some very relevant points made here. Enough is enough. People ere entitled to differing opinions without being personally attacked.

Where does this lie with that freedom of speech thing you claim to love?

You're being super PC, I can't relate.

Real question from the link for me is why do so many PC righties hate freedom of speech?

[Jack_]

He's a know-it-all who simply has an opinion like everyone else, just a right-wing bore. Being a right-wing journalist does not a political expert make.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Where does this lie with that freedom of speech thing you claim to love?

What does freedom of speech mean to you then?

To me it means having the right to make a valid point but the wording used should not be intentionally designed to insult and offend.

The increasing habit of some left-wingers to describe anyone with views different to theirs as nazis is agenda driven and as soon as people resort to that they have lost the argument.

When a disagreement gets heated and/or when people feel under attack they may occasionally say something they wouldn't normally say, but that is not what I am talking about. It is the persistent use of this language and tactic to close down opposing views that most reasonable people have an issue with.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What does freedom of speech mean to you then?

To me it means having the right to make a valid point but the wording used should not be intentionally designed to insult and offend.

The increasing habit of some left-wingers to describe anyone with views different to theirs as nazis is agenda driven and as soon as people resort to that they have lost the argument.

They now go by the names, Alt-Left or Communists.

If you can't beat them and all that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The increasing habit of some left-wingers to describe anyone with views different to theirs as nazis is agenda driven and as soon as people resort to that they have lost the argument.

Changing the topic slightly.. but why would their words matter to you if you believe that they automatically lose an argument. Just seems like a super-pc-limiting-free-speechy thing to do..

"What you just said is irrelevant but you should change what you said anyway cos I'm just -that- PC"

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Changing the topic slightly.. but why would their words matter to you if you believe that they automatically lose an argument. Just seems like a super-pc-limiting-free-speechy thing to do..

"What you just said is irrelevant but you should change what you said anyway cos I'm just -that- PC"

I think you will find that most feel that they have lost the argument when they do that but that doesn't necessarily mean they can let it go. That depends on the person or their mood.

Shouldn't that type of behaviour be challenged? What is your suggestion then? Should people either take it or avoid the confrontation (in other words keep it buttoned).

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think you will find that most feel that they have lost the argument when they do that but that doesn't necessarily mean they can let it go. That depends on the person or their mood.

Shouldn't that type of behaviour be challenged? What is your suggestion then? Should people either take it or avoid the confrontation (in other words keep it buttoned).

Challenging behaviour is better than limiting their free speech cos you're super PC and stuff imo yeah, you've changed your stance on this a few times so I'm not sure what we're discussing.. you do you.

[Kizzy]

If people don't want to be 'PC' then simply don't, but have the courage to use the correct terms for those views which could be as clearly defined as racist, sexist, prejudiced, bigoted or xenophobic as I feel that most 'PC' opinions could fall into one of those categories... and that's fine, just own it don't bleat about it :/

[Underscore]

Innit, the Tories are far from being Nazis

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Remind me, who have I name-Called?

Whose talking about calling those who carry swastikas as nazis. We're talking about calling posters nazis for criticising the behaviour of the left at the demonstration. Two entirely different things and poles apart. I think, I hope, you have missed the point!

Calling posters nazis for such criticism is attempted intimidation and completly unacceptable.

You are using the term 'left wingers' to determine them as a collective group!

''Since when have left wingers as a group been 'socially disadvantaged or discriminated against'? Since when have they been a marginalised group?''

Left wingers are for you now are not individuals from a cross section of society you have decided they are a banding of persons not socially disadvantaged or marginalised.... why?


Obviously I don't agree with posters being referred to by those terms.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you can criticise a group by name calling but nobody else can, and you don't think you a re a hypocrite?

If a group carry swastikas, preach hate and sieg heil all over the place they are nazis... of course they are not on a par with the nazis of the 1930s but the ideology is there.

Out of interest if there was a group waving an isis flag preaching hate and wearing burqas what would you call them?

This is abit of straw man.Of course we'd be right to call those people Nazi scumbags but the article is talking about everyday people with right wing views being branded as Nazis.
It happens.People who criticise the extreme left or are anti mass immigration or pro freedom of speech are being labled Nazi/fascist/racist etc.Now of course it is anyones right to do this but throwing them around as insults to people with opposing political views really does dilute the actual meaning of these words.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are using the term 'left wingers' to determine them as a collective group!

''Since when have left wingers as a group been 'socially disadvantaged or discriminated against'? Since when have they been a marginalised group?''

Left wingers are for you now are not individuals from a cross section of society you have decided they are a banding of persons not socially disadvantaged or marginalised.... why?


Obviously I don't agree with posters being referred to by those terms.

Same as that march in Charlottesville being called a Nazi rally by many.There apparently were only a handful of Nazis/KKK etc in there but anyone protesting against the removal of the monument was blanket labelled a Nazi.

[Josy]

Can we stop turning every thread into pathetic immature digs and arguing its ruining the section for others. Thanks

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Can we stop turning every thread into pathetic immature digs and arguing its ruining the section for others. Thanks

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