[Maru]

Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us...ump-women.html

In the Times story, Leeds alleges that Trump, whom she says she had never met before, grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt while the two were on an airplane more than three decades ago. Crooks, who worked in Trump Tower at a company that Trump did not own, says Trump kissed her outside an elevator after she introduced herself.

The Times report comes in the wake of the release of a 2005 recording in which Trump boasted about being able to kiss women and grope them in ways that would amount to sexual assault.

[Maru]

List of sexual assault allegations so far:

The Floodgates Are Open on Trump Sexual Assault Allegations
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor..._are_open.html

[Northern Monkey]

wonder how much she's been paid to say this.Very convenient timing.

[Ammi]

...I don't have time to read the whole story but as much as I think he's a fairly grim human being..I'm quite sceptical of these stories atm as well...

[Jamie89]

It's a shame that this isn't even surprising. Why isn't it shocking and unexpected that a presidential candidate is accused of sexual assault? Oh, because it's Trump

[bitontheslide]

i am very sceptical of this allegation. The public are also not stupid, and when they hear this, support will go straight back to Trump

[Johnnyuk123]

Two words....
Bill Clinton.
I rest my case.

[Maru]

Other stories have come out as well. Not sure if they are logged in the other link yet or not.

5 women accuse Donald Trump of forcibly groping, kissing them
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...012-story.html

A third woman says Trump groped her rear end at his Mar-a-Lago resort 13 years ago, the Palm Beach Post reported. The fourth, then a People magazine reporter, says Trump kissed her without her consent when the two were alone in 2005 right before an interview she was about to conduct with Trump and his wife. The fifth, Miss Washington 2013, said in a Facebook post that Trump groped her and invited her to his hotel room.

But in each of the first three instances, the newspapers spoke to people close to the women -- a universe that includes friends, family members, significant others and colleagues -- who verified that they told them their stories about what they say happened months or years ago. In the fourth, the reporter wrote a detailed first-person account on People's website of what she says happened.

Mindy McGillivray, 36, told the Palm Beach Post that Trump groped her rear end at Mar-a-Lago in 2003 when she was there accompanying a photographer friend who was shooting a Ray Charles concert.

"All of a sudden I felt a grab, a little nudge. I think it's Ken's camera bag, that was my first instinct. I turn around and there's Donald. He sort of looked away quickly. I quickly turned back, facing Ray Charles, and I'm stunned," she said.

"Ken" is Ken Davidoff, the photographer, with whom the paper also spoke. Davidoff said he did not witness the alleged incident but recalled that McGillivray told him about it right after it happened.

I'm not surprised really. When Trump was asked at the live debate whether he'd done any of the things he said in his comments and he said "No", I immediately thought if there was anything to it, then perhaps the women would start coming out of the woodwork post-debate... I don't know. If I were an actual victim, I would feel really victimized and enraged by someone's ability to go on TV pretending like nothing happened...

Though I do wish orgs like the NYT and other media outlets would go after more fundamental stories with as much zeal as they go after Donald Trump... might need to buy stock in the NYT if this keeps up.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Two words....
Bill Clinton.
I rest my case.

Your case fails. He's not running.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I feel sorry for the real victims of sexual assault as cheap stuff like this makes it harder for them to come forward and be taken seriously

[MTVN]

tbf it's not that great a leap to think that someone who boasted about carrying out sexual assaults might actually have carried out a sexual assault

[Kazanne]

The bloke might be a first class twit,but really suspicious as to how these women are coming forward NOW,there must be some large amounts of money wafting about,not sure I believe any accustations that come out now.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The bloke might be a first class twit,but really suspicious as to how these women are coming forward NOW,there must be some large amounts of money wafting about,not sure I believe any accustations that come out now.

Me too.If this had come out before he even thought about running then it might be believable.
I'm no Trump fan but the corruption from the Clinton campaign in this election almost makes me want to root for him and if i as an outsider spectating this mess feel like that then i reckon alot of the American people who are more emotionally involved will feel that much more strongly.I think people as a whole these days are sick of the system getting what it wants however it can and may go out and give it a bloody nose.I think these tactics may backfire on Kilary.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Two words....
Bill Clinton.
I rest my case.

Sexual assault is fine because bill clinton?
Murder is fine because hitler?

I dont understand you case.. Unless.. are you a Trump fan trying to find a way to excuse him? Otherwise your case makes no sense?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

tbf it's not that great a leap to think that someone who boasted about carrying out sexual assaults might actually have carried out a sexual assault

What logic

[jaxie]

What makes me wary of these accusations is that they seem to come from quite professional women. Why weren't they reporting those incidents immediately? Why wait until now? They are not exactly heroine addicts who might not have been believed. It doesn't really ring true for them to suddenly surface now. Then again I always wondered how Jimmy Saville got away with so much.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

tbf it's not that great a leap to think that someone who boasted about carrying out sexual assaults might actually have carried out a sexual assault

Indeed. I can't help thinking some of these may be looking for their few minutes of fame though, or a payout. Similar to some of the allegations about older celebs that we had recently..

[Vicky.]

And I can't stand Trump and find him to be a creepy ****er aswell. Its just..so many people keeping quiet until now. Its unlikely that noone said anything at the time if he really abused so many

[MTVN]

^ People said the same about Saville, Bill Cosby etc. though

Like Maru said, it might well have been Trump's denial that he had ever done the things he boasted about which has angered these women and prompted them to come forward. They might also think they'd be more likely to be believed now than at the time, its no secret really that the vast majority of sexual assaults go unreported and like Trump said 'when you're a star you can do what you want' safe in the knowledge that you probably never will have to face any consequences for it

[UserSince2005]

touched by and angel - the true story

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

^ People said the same about Saville, Bill Cosby etc. though

Like Maru said, it might well have been Trump's denial that he had ever done the things he boasted about which has angered these women and prompted them to come forward. They might also think they'd be more likely to be believed now than at the time, its no secret really that the vast majority of sexual assaults go unreported and like Trump said 'when you're a star you can do what you want' safe in the knowledge that you probably never will have to face any consequences for it

And he is a litigious billionaire

of the list of people you do not probably wish to take on

thats got to be near the top of the list

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

^ People said the same about Saville, Bill Cosby etc. though

Like Maru said, it might well have been Trump's denial that he had ever done the things he boasted about which has angered these women and prompted them to come forward. They might also think they'd be more likely to be believed now than at the time, its no secret really that the vast majority of sexual assaults go unreported and like Trump said 'when you're a star you can do what you want' safe in the knowledge that you probably never will have to face any consequences for it

Don't know anything about Cosby, but the people who Saville abused did say something but the police covered it up? Unless you suspect this has happened again here though I guess.

Also about Trump..I keep hearing he currently has an ongoing case of being accused of assaulting a teen girl :S I do think he is dodgy, but I always find it dodgy when so many people come out in waves and go to the press instead of the police too

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I feel sorry for the real victims of sexual assault as cheap stuff like this makes it harder for them to come forward and be taken seriously

Women coming forward saying they've been sexually assaulted makes it harder for other women to come forward about sexual assault?? I think it's more the fact that people are so immediately suspicious of accusers (as your post demonstrates) that makes it difficult.

Many victims don't come forward when they're sexually assaulted and as has been said in the thread already, I find it realistic to assume that his comments during the debate would drive any possible victims to come forward.

Obviously they could all be lying too we don't know, but I don't think they should be dismissed just because it's politically convenient to do so. Like you say, it's hard enough for women to come forward as it is.

Originally Posted by jaxie

What makes me wary of these accusations is that they seem to come from quite professional women. Why weren't they reporting those incidents immediately? Why wait until now? They are not exactly heroine addicts who might not have been believed. It doesn't really ring true for them to suddenly surface now. Then again I always wondered how Jimmy Saville got away with so much.

Being professional women could mean that they feared for their careers (I think some of them worked for Trump?) or being disbelieved and losing the credibility they had as professional/respected women. A professional women is also probably going to be more aware of what they'd face in taking him on in court. A heroin addict with nothing to lose on the other hand would probably be much more likely to come forward and try and make money out of the situation imo.


If he did abuse these women, then right now is the first time since their abuse that it's been publicly demonstrated that he considers abuse against women to be acceptable, so I think it's completely understandable that if they were to come forward at all, it would be now.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Women coming forward saying they've been sexually assaulted makes it harder for other women to come forward about sexual assault?? I think it's more the fact that people are so immediately suspicious of accusers (as your post demonstrates) that makes it difficult.

Many victims don't come forward when they're sexually assaulted and as has been said in the thread already, I find it realistic to assume that his comments during the debate would drive any possible victims to come forward.

Obviously they could all be lying too we don't know, but I don't think they should be dismissed just because it's politically convenient to do so. Like you say, it's hard enough for women to come forward as it is.



Being professional women could mean that they feared for their careers (I think some of them worked for Trump?) or being disbelieved and losing the credibility they had as professional/respected women. A professional women is also probably going to be more aware of what they'd face in taking him on in court. A heroin addict with nothing to lose on the other hand would probably be much more likely to come forward and try and make money out of the situation imo.


If he did abuse these women, then right now is the first time since their abuse that it's been publicly demonstrated that he considers abuse against women to be acceptable, so I think it's completely understandable that if they were to come forward at all, it would be now.

To add to that I think it's far more likely that if Trump sexually abused women then it would be professional women that he would have had everyday contact with. I can't see him being around many street junkies or whatever

[Jessica.]

They're probably telling the truth tbh, who would have believed them before? Now they have other victims to back them up.