[parmnion]

If the speaker is bercow? It means zilch.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Protest about WHAT though? And this is a genuine question.

The worlds women need someone to shake a handbag at and the worlds sad desperate, ever to be single males need a purpose....or as we say in scotland...." ah might get a sniff if ah gan"

[MTVN]

Owen is a joke

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Keep on topic, this thread is about Mr Muscle Jones, not King Donald.

My post was about Jones, keep up lad

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

How can you consistently keep misinterpreting what is being stated?

No ONE is 'angry' about anyone suggesting that 'the majority of Brits don’t support Trump' because that statement is pure B.S and I'd love to see your evidence which corroborates it.

You are CLEARLY confusing the tiny percentage of the viewing public who actually leapt to participate in the TV Poll and NOT the majority of the Great British Public - who did NOT leap up to participate.

The 'MAJORITY' of Brits do NOT really give two flying fecks for Trump one way or the other, besides which there is a gulf of difference between; 'Not Supporting Someone' and participating in disruptive, anti-Democratic, anti-Social 'Protests and 'Demonstrations' which ARE the reason for mine and others posts - NOT the reason you have erroneously given above.

I refuse to read your lengthy posts with random capitals in, the random capitals do my nut in. Can you please stop using them in conversation with me

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It doesn’t matter. Whether the majority of Brits support him or not, and your views as well as those of Jones are supposition rather than actual fact, the likes of Jones have no right to try and stop him.

He is a deluded anarchist who has the audacity to think he speaks for the majority on whether Trump should be allowed to come to Britain or not. Although no fan of Trumps - I’d rather have him than some of the other dodgy characters the likes of Jones are trying to foist on the rest of us.

At the first paragraph, I agree, its an educated guess, yes
At the second para, you better reread your own link

At the end of the day, if he comes - no one is saying he should be barred from the country by legal means

Originally Posted by parmnion

But the ones who support him still have a voice, no matter how much lame comediens try.

True, I dont get how this is relevant to any of my posts either though

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

And people here have a right to disagree. Remember giant march against bush visit? Protests against the Chinese President?
Not to mention that speaker of British parliament refused to have trump put a foot inside the building
It is our democratic right to protest p

Is that the parliamentary speaker currently accused of bullying you speak of!

[Twosugars]

Not gonna repeat why trump is unpopular here and in most countries. I get it you disagree, you even like the guy. It's a democracy, people are allowed to protest and they will.

[kirklancaster]

The Sinister Group Behind Anti-Trump Riots Exposed
A pro-free-speech rally at the University of California, Berkeley, took a different turn after radical far-leftists started attacking the peacefully assembled crowd. The event, which took place on the 15th of April, descended into a ferocious and chaotic event.

The shadowy extremist group known as Antifa is a network of loosely united far-left anarchist and communist groups that organize violent protests and attacks on populists, conservatives, and anyone else its members deems to be Nazis or fascists.

The anti-fascists action group, commonly known as Antifa was originally formed in Germany in the 1980s. The group took the name of the communist paramilitary groups that engaged the Nazis in street-fighting in the 1930s.

Independent journalist Lauren Southern revealed that anyone who tried to hold any sort of right-wing event literally got beat up by militant communists in the street. Southern was present at one of the pro-Trump Berkeley rallies.

One of the footage captured by Southern’s crew showed Antifa street fighters throwing bricks and M-80 explosives into the crowd, as well as assaulting Trump supporters. One of the witnesses also released another footage that showed one Antifa thug hit a Trump supporter over the head with a bicycle chain and lock.

[kirklancaster]

At Monday’s London rally at Downing Street, the red flags of the Socialist Workers Party were already in evidence. “Stand Up To Racism”, a front for that party, is attempting to organise another demo at the US embassy in London on Saturday. Like that other SWP front, Unite Against Fascism, and of course the Stop The War Coalition, Stand Up To Racism has taken for its name a phrase that is almost entirely unobjectionable. This makes it easy to pull in support for its marches and petitions.

But a bit of scepticism is crucial here. Stop The War is a discredited organisation run by sinister apologists for the Assad and Putin regimes. Their newspaper of choice, the Morning Star, celebrated the “liberation” of east Aleppo by Assad’s forces, and defamed the heroic White Helmet civil defence group as jihadists. They count among their leading lights such charmers as Stalinists who have declared solidarity with North Korea.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

At Monday’s London rally at Downing Street, the red flags of the Socialist Workers Party were already in evidence. “Stand Up To Racism”, a front for that party, is attempting to organise another demo at the US embassy in London on Saturday. Like that other SWP front, Unite Against Fascism, and of course the Stop The War Coalition, Stand Up To Racism has taken for its name a phrase that is almost entirely unobjectionable. This makes it easy to pull in support for its marches and petitions.

But a bit of scepticism is crucial here. Stop The War is a discredited organisation run by sinister apologists for the Assad and Putin regimes. Their newspaper of choice, the Morning Star, celebrated the “liberation” of east Aleppo by Assad’s forces, and defamed the heroic White Helmet civil defence group as jihadists. They count among their leading lights such charmers as Stalinists who have declared solidarity with North Korea.

The hard-left - purer than the driven snow with no agendas whatsoever other than achieving equality for all - yeah, yeah, yeah!!! Thugs and hypocrites come in all shapes and sizes AND political parties AND so-called ideologies!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well yes if you consider a poll of 2,021 people to be "a majority" of anything...

Well that's not really how polls work LT... 2000 is a pretty decent sample size .

[Scarlett.]

I don't get why this forum, and people in general imagine the left as this huge monolithic group, the left certainly don't confuse your garden variety right wingers with the Alt Right

[Oliver_W]

Even if he shares the same views with a majority of people, I think most people find him hugely cringeworthy.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well that's not really how polls work LT... 2000 is a pretty decent sample size .

a millenial number as well hihi

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Even if he shares the same views with a majority of people, I think most people find him hugely cringeworthy.

This is probably true. I agree with a lot of his sentiments but I still find him an irritating little sh*t on a personal level

[Twosugars]

he can be a little bit ott, but I don't mind him, we need passionate people, brits are too laid back on the whole and politicians get away with too much as a result

[James]

The poll said most people were against a state visit, but this visit is not a full state visit.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

he can be a little bit ott, but I don't mind him, we need passionate people, brits are too laid back on the whole and politicians get away with too much as a result

THere is a bit OTT and then there is a deluded loud-mouth, know-it-all little S**te which is what he is. He thinks he knows a lot more than he actually does and soon most will be sick of the sight and sound of him.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Owen is a joke

Sometimes he gets a Show on LBC Live Radio
he is on the Back Up List

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

The poll said most people were against a state visit, but this visit is not a full state visit.

Yes its a Fast Working Visit
tricking the protesters
who can not Fly Fast to Scotland like Trump can,
thats one possible route..........................

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

He thinks he knows a lot more than he actually does and soon most will be sick of the sight and sound of him.

To be fair, it seems that there's a common misconception in certain circles that having a strong / confident opinion is the same as "being a know it all"... Or, perhaps, that claim is simply used by some people to shut down when others happen to have confident opinions that contradict their own.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, it seems that there's a common misconception in certain circles that having a strong / confident opinion is the same as "being a know it all"... Or, perhaps, that claim is simply used by some people to shut down when others happen to have confident opinions that contradict their own.

We all have confident opinions but some try harder to force those opinions on to others. Jones is one of those pretentious people who think they have the right as he of course knows better than most. Somehow I don’t think the majority would agree with him on that!

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

THere is a bit OTT and then there is a deluded loud-mouth, know-it-all little S**te which is what he is. He thinks he knows a lot more than he actually does and soon most will be sick of the sight and sound of him.

but enough about Farage

[Scarlett.]

This was an interesting video, I have to say I agree with Pie more than Jones

Youtube video

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Chewcobo

This was an interesting video, I have to say I agree with Pie more than Jones

Youtube video

I totally get his frustration to be honest, and that's actually a fairly recent thing for me (the last 18 months or so). There are so many rules and buzzwords and phrases thrown around these days - most of it absolute horse****, and most of it from people who have very little idea what they're actually talking about - that it's all too often impossible to have any sort of real or constructive discussion without it descending into jargon and rhetorical one-upmanship.

I strongly suspect that most people who do it would simply be incapable of holding down a one-on-one discussion without the pocket phrasebook of conversation killers.

[Maru]

There's a growing backlash against random celebs, journalists, musicians, actors, "civil rights" organizations, etc speaking on behalf of all of us. It's still smallish, but it's definitely growing. I think long-term, we will look back and say that mob mentality has been bad for society. This goes beyond just politics. Businesses and everyday people have had their lives destroyed or disrupted in some manner because random groups of people with a common cause have found a target they can domineer, intimidate and otherwise play with their lives... occasionally there's another person in front of that that says the "right" thing in the media and then the mob use that to start petitions, run disinformation campaigns, target small businesses, etc to try to destroy those they perceive as a threat... this links back to our culture... modern day western culture has always been a bit of a busybody, because western culture knows best... much of what is happening currently can be blamed on liberalism and Hollywood, sure, but exceptionalism paved the way to supporting that framework, which made it possible for any of those movements to be cultivated, much less thrive. If that isn't corrected in our culture, it doesn't matter if liberalism in it's current manifestation were to reform... there would be some other domineering influence tomorrow that takes it's place that picks up where it left off...