[Elliot]

She’s just kinda useless and awful isn’t she

[Ammi]

...she stayed calm while she wilfully broke something of value when it was not the only alternative solution to her children having disregarded the house rules...maybe remove the iPads until her children are able to understand house rules better and follow them..?...many other alternatives but she stayed calm though...if her children become frustrated then it’s ok to destroy a thing of priveledge which has been purchased for them and given to them so long as they ‘appear calm’ while they’re doing it...is the only ‘lesson’ there, Arista baby...gotta keep calm kids while you’re doin’ that destroyin’ you don’t need to be doing...kids you should be looking at what your alternatives are in this situation of frustration just like mamma Kirstie does.....ooops...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Elliot

She’s just kinda useless and awful isn’t she

...I don’t think she’s useless in anyway, Elliot...but I do think her focus is quite narrow in some aspects of parenting she’s commented on and made public...I think she can dismiss and overlook so much in some of her parenting decisions and methods...I personally like her, I think she’s very well-meaning ...but just a bit *cringe* at times...

..the other thing with the flights as well that I’ve just thought..in her and her partner travelling first class while the children were separated in economy etc..?...it’s also the excitement a whole family get in travelling together on holidays and exciting things etc ...that excitement is a whole build up from booking the visit and continuing to include flights as well...something a family share together in seeing the excitement your children are experiencing with the whole thing....?...she deprived herself from sharing that with the boys and from them sharing it with their parents during the flight...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

"violent act "


She stated very clearly
it was NOT done in a violent way.


"but that is simply nonsense."

She stayed Calm, to not show her kids her temper




"She had lost her temper and lashed out aggressively."
TS you are assuming that, you could be right or wrong.

It's impossible, you can't willfully smash something up in a calm and collected way, it isn't a calm act. It's an act of violence. It's that simple.

Frankly, I hope it WAS a case of her losing her temper because someone coldly and calculatingly destroying their child's possessions with a blank face is straight up terrifying, and would likely contribute to a multitude of emotional issues for them in the future. "Anger" is a scary, but ultimately normal and comprehendible emotion. Cold vindictiveness is next level.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's impossible, you can't willfully smash something up in a calm and collected way, it isn't a calm act. It's an act of violence. It's that simple.

Frankly, I hope it WAS a case of her losing her temper because someone coldly and calculatingly destroying their child's possessions with a blank face is straight up terrifying, and would likely contribute to a multitude of emotional issues for them in the future. "Anger" is a scary, but ultimately normal and comprehendible emotion. Cold vindictiveness is next level.

OK I agree
but its her Life
her style, her choice to go public
caused her to have to come off her twitter account,
again.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

OK I agree
but its her Life
her style, her choice to go public
caused her to have to come off her twitter account,
again.

Her life is her life but her kids' lives are their own; she might own the tablets, but she doesn't own her children.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Her life is her life but her kids' lives are their own; she might own the tablets, but she doesn't own her children.

...I would say that she doesn’t own the tablets either once she’s given them as a gift...(..she may have purchased them but she doesn’t own them..)..you give, it no longer belongs to you is the deal for me....they belong to the children then ...in this case...I guess that’s a whole other topic though.....

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I would say that she doesn’t own the tablets either once she’s given them as a gift...(..she may have purchased them but she doesn’t own them..)..you give, it no longer belongs to you is the deal for me....they belong to the children then ...in this case...I guess that’s a whole other topic though.....

I personally agree with that Ammi, if they've been directly given as personal possessions then that's what they are, no matter who bought them, and breaking someone else's stuff is basically vandalism. But like you say, it's another topic and I know plenty of people don't agree.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t think she’s useless in anyway, Elliot...but I do think her focus is quite narrow in some aspects of parenting she’s commented on and made public...I think she can dismiss and overlook so much in some of her parenting decisions and methods...I personally like her, I think she’s very well-meaning ...but just a bit *cringe* at times...

..the other thing with the flights as well that I’ve just thought..in her and her partner travelling first class while the children were separated in economy etc..?...it’s also the excitement a whole family get in travelling together on holidays and exciting things etc ...that excitement is a whole build up from booking the visit and continuing to include flights as well...something a family share together in seeing the excitement your children are experiencing with the whole thing....?...she deprived herself from sharing that with the boys and from them sharing it with their parents during the flight...

Yeah exactly and Luke gets a bit nervous flying too so I always like to be near him to make sure he's ok (and he's 14 now )

[Toy Soldier]

To be fair, if a parent has a fear of flying so it would probably be better if the kids didn't see them as that could be quite worrying .

"Ooh this seems a bit scary... it's totally safe though, right?"

" YES IT'S FINE Strap in Kids! I love you! I will always love you, no matter what happens! FAREWELL"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, if a parent has a fear of flying so it would probably be better if the kids didn't see them as that could be quite worrying .

"Ooh this seems a bit scary... it's totally safe though, right?"

" YES IT'S FINE Strap in Kids! I love you! I will always love you, no matter what happens! FAREWELL"

Does Kirstie have a fear of flying?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Her life is her life but her kids' lives are their own; she might own the tablets, but she doesn't own her children.

Aged 10 and 12
The Mother is in Control.

Setting the Examples
her kids will learn from

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Aged 10 and 12
The Mother is in Control.

Setting the Examples
her kids will learn from

The point is smashing stuff isn't a good example to set. No one is saying not to discipline her children just that the method is odd and extreme

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The point is smashing stuff isn't a good example to sett. No one is saying not to discipline her children just that the method is odd and extreme

Yes I agree
But some kids are so hooked on that "terrible graphics
bad quality game " free online game
the only way to stop it is what she did.


Some parents approve it.
Poor trolls online are angry as they want a Free ipad

[Livia]

So long as she's not beating, starving or in other ways abusing them, I'm happy to leave the parenting decisions to her.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

So long as she's not beating, starving or in other ways abusing them, I'm happy to leave the parenting decisions to her.

Bang On Right
Livia.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It is a waste, but to be fair - it is HER money.

Perhaps she is as equally scathing of the lower-paid and those in receipts of benefits who drink, smoke, take drugs or gamble or live on takeaways?

Imagine the furore on here were she to publicly express such views?

She does that... regularly.

She shames people in public and adds SaveOurNHS to the end.

You know, because she's not overweight at all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

But it has
the 2 kids now
do what mother says.

They are aged 10 and 12.

We need more mothers
like this.

No, she just proved that they managed to cause mother to lose all control.

This wasn't something she actually thought through and then did in private and said "Ooh, dear look they're broken! Looks like you'll have to do without now kiddies!"

She lost control of her temper and out of frustration smashed them in front of the kids. That aint good no matter which way you look at it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It has been my own personal, direct experience that the children of SERIOUSLY wealthy parents grow up with a far better understanding of money than their 'working-class' counterparts.

Is this a generalisation or one wealthy child versus one working class child?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Perhaps? But wealthy people dont typically go about smashing ipads.. the issue isnt money, the issue is the needless waste of it.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not agree with what she did but am merely putting the 'other side of the coin' forward.

Alcoholism, Drug addiction, Obesity and Gambling Addiction are also examples of direct needless wastes of money and they create further needless wastes of substantial money having to be 'treated' by the NHS and other State Organisations.

For me, it's not necessarily the money. If she wants to waste her money, that's her choice.

But the equipment. Is there really any need to smash up two perfectly good tablets? She could have just given them away to a charity shop? A school? Sold them to friends/colleague?

It's not teaching the kids the value of much either, that instead of taking them away as a punishment, she so casually disposed of such expensive items because the cost of them wasn't a big thing for her. Which is fine if she is privileged enough to have more disposable income that she won't have to worry about a waste of £500, that's fine. That's the way it is. But that's how kids become spoilt and think of it as "nothing".

In fact, as a kid, I'd have probably been more affected by the thought that another kid was now enjoying my toy/gadget because I didn't obey the rules. Now THAT would have taught me a lesson.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not really the key point Arista, it has nothing to do with the cost of the items, it's a threatening / violent act designed to be intimidating. It doesn't matter how much the broken item cost. She claims to have smashed them in a "non-violent way" but that is simply nonsense. It's not possible. Smashing them "gently on a table leg" isn't non-violent, for a start, and for another... my 6 year old has an iPad - she's learning disabled and doesn't really understand that it could break so it gets thrown around a lot and it's fine - so if she hasn't managed to crack or even so much as scratch it in a whole year of being used every day, so I call utter BS that it didn't take considerable force / multiple blows to "smash" them. No one calm / in control acts like that. She had lost her temper and lashed out aggressively. It doesn't matter that it was at possessions, it's terrifying for a kid, and it IS tantamount to emotional abuse.

I'll say again; everyone loses their head occasionally, that's unavoidable, but the fact that she has no regret or those actions and even thinks that it was the right thing to so is the worrying part.

I agree with this.

Gently tapping MAY have cracked the screen but it would take considerable force to actually smash it up and render it unusable.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

"violent act "


She stated very clearly
it was NOT done in a violent way.


"but that is simply nonsense."

She stayed Calm, to not show her kids her temper




"She had lost her temper and lashed out aggressively."
TS you are assuming that, you could be right or wrong.

Violence

"the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation,"

She used physical force to exert her "power". That's a violent act.

You're thinking of aggressive. She wasn't aggressive when doing it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, she just proved that they managed to cause mother to lose all control.

This wasn't something she actually thought through and then did in private and said "Ooh, dear look they're broken! Looks like you'll have to do without now kiddies!"

She lost control of her temper and out of frustration smashed them in front of the kids. That aint good no matter which way you look at it.

Yes but only for 30seconds
No Child was Touched.


Just 2 ipads Smashed

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but only for 30seconds
No Child was Touched.


Just 2 ipads Smashed

Again, nobody's accused her of beating her children.

You're missing the point.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Is this a generalisation or one wealthy child versus one working class child?

A generalisation borne from my direct experiences of very wealthy families and lower 'working class/non-working class families.