[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he has been charged

i know??

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i mean ..why?

it does not make sense ?

It just makes it more difficult for actual victims of such crimes and made himself look foolish

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

all the Hollywood stars that jumped to his tune are going to be feeling a bit foolish

But they shouldn't feel foolish for being empathetic to a supposed victim, he should feel foolish though

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But they shouldn't feel foolish for being empathetic to a supposed victim, he should feel foolish though

Totally agree. Don't understand how people are having a pop at people who offered him support.

Nobody who had sympathy for him should feel foolish.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Totally agree. Don't understand how people are having a pop at people who offered him support.

Nobody who had sympathy for him should feel foolish.

I think the kind of thing is this, that it suited a certain narrative


omg he is a gay black man

omg his attackers were racist trump fans



IT MUST BE TRUE

had it been a straight white man claiming he had been attacked by 2 black democrats i kind of think there would have been a lot less sympathy

certainly on here, for sure

would anyone disagree?

[Cherie]

Cant be long before the racist police charge is levied

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think the kind of thing is this, that it suited a certain narrative


omg he is a gay black man

omg his attackers were racist trump fans



IT MUST BE TRUE

had it been a straight white man claiming he had been attacked by 2 black democrats i kind of think there would have been a lot less sympathy

certainly on here, for sure

would anyone disagree?

Then again if that was the case then you would be so quick to believe it happened and wouldn’t even question why it happened.

But because it was a gay black man in this case, you were skeptic?

I’m not saying what Jussie did was right but you didn’t even feel a shred of sympathy. What if it was a white man getting attacked? You wouldn’t challenge it then

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

Then again if that was the case then you would be so quick to believe it happened and wouldn’t even question why it happened.

But because it was a gay black man in this case, you were skeptic?

I’m not saying what Jussie did was right but you didn’t even feel a shred of sympathy. What if it was a white man getting attacked? You wouldn’t challenge it then

if you read back I questioned the wording of the thread as it portrayed the allegation as factual and not whether it happened, initially

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

Then again if that was the case then you would be so quick to believe it happened and wouldn’t even question why it happened.

But because it was a gay black man in this case, you were skeptic?

I’m not saying what Jussie did was right but you didn’t even feel a shred of sympathy. What if it was a white man getting attacked? You wouldn’t challenge it then

agree with that assessment

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if you read back I questioned the wording of the thread as it portrayed the allegation as factual and not whether it happened, initially

It was still a story that was in development and I doubt the thread name would have a made an iota of a difference.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

It was still a story that was in development and I doubt the thread name would have a made an iota of a difference.

Your question is not directed at me is what I am saying

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Your question is not directed at me is what I am saying

I mean it was a reply to your comment.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

all the Hollywood stars that jumped to his tune are going to be feeling a bit foolish

Empathy is never foolish, there isn't enough of it in today's world.

[LeatherTrumpet]

[Northern Monkey]

What a mess.This will follow him for the rest of his career.
It is despicable.Like false rape allegations.It plays a part in real crimes not being believed.

He must’ve thought he was on to a winner.That he would be undoubtedly believed due to his minority status.Only he didn’t pull it off.

Why he did it though,That is a weird mystery.

[Oliver_W]

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think the kind of thing is this, that it suited a certain narrative


omg he is a gay black man

omg his attackers were racist trump fans



IT MUST BE TRUE

had it been a straight white man claiming he had been attacked by 2 black democrats i kind of think there would have been a lot less sympathy

certainly on here, for sure

would anyone disagree?

Can you really say that though when people who didn't believe him in the last thread were sceptical for no solid reason other than they didn't like how the story framed a trump supporter as the attacker? They doubted him PURELY because of their agenda while others chose to believe him because that's how the facts lined up in that moment. They had no evidence of wrongdoing while there was footage of the staged attack which gave credence to Smollet's story. The narrative only really changed a few weeks later and the doubters had no real inkling that it would. It was just a lucky guess really.

Trying to frame empathy as pushing an agenda is quite something when you consider that the only real reason that doubt existed was because of a need to push an agenda in the first place.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Can you really gloat like that when you were simply lucky that your biases were correct in this instance?

[Tom4784]

As for the story itself, it's gross. Hopefully he gets dropped and recast in Empire and his career is finished. False claims will only give bigots validation in doubting victims and make it harder for genuine victims to come forward.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Can you really gloat like that when you were simply lucky that your biases were correct in this instance?

"My biases" ... biases against unbelievable stories?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How childish..yikes

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Can you really say that though when people who didn't believe him in the last thread were sceptical for no solid reason other than they didn't like how the story framed a trump supporter as the attacker? They doubted him PURELY because of their agenda while others chose to believe him because that's how the facts lined up in that moment. They had no evidence of wrongdoing while there was footage of the staged attack which gave credence to Smollet's story. The narrative only really changed a few weeks later and the doubters had no real inkling that it would. It was just a lucky guess really.

Trying to frame empathy as pushing an agenda is quite something when you consider that the only real reason that doubt existed was because of a need to push an agenda in the first place.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Can you really say that though when people who didn't believe him in the last thread were sceptical for no solid reason other than they didn't like how the story framed a trump supporter as the attacker? They doubted him PURELY because of their agenda while others chose to believe him because that's how the facts lined up in that moment. They had no evidence of wrongdoing while there was footage of the staged attack which gave credence to Smollet's story. The narrative only really changed a few weeks later and the doubters had no real inkling that it would. It was just a lucky guess really.

Trying to frame empathy as pushing an agenda is quite something when you consider that the only real reason that doubt existed was because of a need to push an agenda in the first place.

"were sceptical for no solid reason other than they didn't like how the story framed a trump supporter"

"others chose to believe him because that's how the facts lined up in that moment"



"They doubted him PURELY because of their agenda"


Sorry but i cant answer you if you constantly claim to know exactly what everyone in the thread was doing and why - you dont

[SherzyK]

As much as I disagree with what he did, the fact that people almost rejoice in the fact he’s getting done for it after showing no sympathy or remorse baffles me.

[bitontheslide]

People choose to believe reported events or be sceptical about them for loads of different reasons. The important lesson from this is to keep an open mind what happened until the facts are verified.