[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...where does it say the ages of the attackers, I’ve missed that..?..

It was on SkyNewsHD Live


They said some were 18 year olds

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

It was on SkyNewsHD Live

......what are their ages, Arista..?..

[Ammi]

...oh 18yrs old, I saw your post Arista...I’ll learn to read soon.....they’re adults in the eyes of the law and hopefully will receive adult judgements...

[Redway]

Originally Posted by arista

It was on SkyNewsHD Live


They said some were 18 year olds

So legally grown-arse men. People need to find some other excuse to justify these stupid boys (or not).

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...oh 18yrs old, I saw your post Arista...I’ll learn to read soon.....they’re adults in the eyes of the law and hopefully will receive adult judgements...

Ch4HD news just said 4 Teenagers arrested

[Twosugars]

Ages 15 to 18 says the Guardian

[Liam-]

Try them all as adults and throw away the key, especially since it’s going to be considered a hate crime

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Tbh, even in London anywhere outside of Soho, you're taking your chances with holding hands or being affectionate.

Camden is one of the most 'diverse' areas though. I'd still say it's not 'safe' to do it anywhere (which is really really sad). The thing is it happened because it was a night bus and they were alone with nobody else there.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You can see attitudes like ‘why are they moaning? That have it so good these days’ all over the place

It’s events like these that actually show that there’s still a long way to go before gays are treated like proper equals rather than sideshow tokens for entertainment or profit.

I don't know if you mean me, Liam, I have definitely said how things have changed for gay people, that they used to be jailed and suffer terrible injustices and now they can marry and have equal rights under the law.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on here say gay people should just accept the beatings because things are improving. This was a despicable crime.

[armand.kay]

Nothing like a cute gay bashing to remind you that despite all this "gays have no reason to complain" "Britain is a progressive country" homophobia is still rife and you're still not truly safe being openly gay in public. I'm so sorry that these women had to go through this and I can only hope the monsters responsible are caught.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Ages 15 to 18 says the Guardian

But we can can’t teach kids about LGBT!!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It's tragic..just kids...

This is horrid cause I would never let anyone be put down in my prescence if they were gay...so this is a serious question..the age of the kids.


Do you think that might have something to do with how much the LGBT community is featured these days in every walk of life...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Smithy

But we can can’t teach kids about LGBT!!

I know

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Redway

So legally grown-arse men. People need to find some other excuse to justify these stupid boys (or not).

I agree I thought they were 16.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Are you saying LGBTQ being too visible is the reason behind stuff like this?

Sorry..I had something to do..


Yeah, maybe in the mentality nifty these idiots..perhaps the promotion of it gave them a target...I dunno though, just asking x

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Sorry..I had something to do..


Yeah, maybe in the mentality nifty these idiots..perhaps the promotion of it gave them a target...I dunno though, just asking x

Do you mean promotion generally or these two specific girls?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Do you mean promotion generally or these two specific girls?

I mean that these horrible people that attacked these two girls for showing affection have had the rights of these 2 girls force fed to them for ages that it has made them target the girls.

To some extent.


.I'm not trying to diminish anything if dezzy can see me,.it's just a random thought to be honest.

[Vicky.]

Nah I think they attacked these women because they are homophobic misogynistic entitled young men who think the world exists to please them and their knobs.

I don't think the rising visibility of gay people in media, news and such will have influenced them to attack them. That would be a poor excuse if they tried to use that one (most likely it will be 'I was drunk' then all will be forgiven as poor drunk men don't know what they are doing. Bless.) I think. I mean.. 'Last week I saw a local pride march, then I opened my paper and saw a story about a gay couple getting married, then turned on my TV and RuPaul was on, then I saw two girls kissing and just SNAPPED' would be an interesting defence to try I guess. And it may even be sucessful given the dire rates of prosecution for men who attack women.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I mean that these horrible people that attacked these two girls for showing affection have had the rights of these 2 girls force fed to them for ages that it has made them target the girls.

To some extent.


.I'm not trying to diminish anything if dezzy can see me,.it's just a random thought to be honest.

But the boys attacked them after actually asking them to 'show affection'?

Like they wanted to get off on them kissing.

[thesheriff443]

There is no defence or excuse for what these animals did.

What needs to happen is they get very long prison sentences and it is shown in all media outlets, we need zero tolerance not only on these types of crimes but all crime.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think I've ever seen anyone on here say gay people should just accept the beatings because things are improving. This was a despicable crime.

I mean Parmnion is in here suggesting if gay rights weren't so prevalent or "force fed" as he put it maybe they wouldn't have been attacked so we're not far off.

[bitontheslide]

Not wishing to down play this attack, but the people who did it obviously set out to attack vulnerable people. If it hadn't been them, someone else would have been the target. Thugs are thugs, and we can try to sub label them if that makes people understand it better, but I don't think that is the root of the problem. Anyone who is vulnerable should be able to go on a night out and be safe at the end of it

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I mean Parmnion is in here suggesting if gay rights weren't so prevalent or "force fed" as he put it maybe they wouldn't have been attacked so we're not far off.

I am not suggesting that at all....I merely asked if it could be that...I got a good enough answer to dispel.that thought....but keep twisting g everything I post...

[Toy Soldier]

It's not technically homophobic, I don't think they had any problem with these women being gay, the problem was that they wouldn't comply with their aggression and put on a show. Misogynistic thuggery basically. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they'd do the same to any female or group of females, and have a completely twisted idea of entitlement almost.

That's not to diminish the attack or say that homophobic attacks don't exist, obviously they do.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not technically homophobic, I don't think they had any problem with these women being gay, the problem was that they wouldn't comply with their aggression and put on a show. Misogynistic thuggery basically. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they'd do the same to any female or group of females, and have a completely twisted idea of entitlement almost.

That's not to diminish the attack or say that homophobic attacks don't exist, obviously they do.

Yeah I totally agree with this

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Not wishing to down play this attack, but the people who did it obviously set out to attack vulnerable people. If it hadn't been them, someone else would have been the target. Thugs are thugs, and we can try to sub label them if that makes people understand it better, but I don't think that is the root of the problem. Anyone who is vulnerable should be able to go on a night out and be safe at the end of it

I don't think they 'planned' to attack anyone, it was because the girls didn't do what they wanted and Chris 'confronted' them