[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No as you are comparing their court to our own and that isnt fair. Ask a Cypriot if she got justice not me. I am pretty sure they would say she did.

we have no say in their legal system. they are a sovereign country.

They may be asking why we jailed a kid for 6 years for doodling

that's where you are wrong. Cyprus must adhere to the european rules on justice which it did not. Having a lawyer present is one such rule.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that's where you are wrong. Cyprus must adhere to the european rules on justice which it did not. Having a lawyer present is one such rule.

And if she declined?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you're on the side of the rapists, okay.

There are no rapists. Only a false accuser

Stop making lies

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are no rapists. Only a false accuser

Stop making lies

This is why you don't bootlick everything the police does. It makes you blind to the facts because you can only worship the badge like it's some sort of God.

If you are ignoring all the red flags because you can't see reality beyond your blind devotion then you've chosen to support a corrupt system and this girl's rapists.

When the truth comes out, I will be reminding you that you were on the wrong side.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is why you don't bootlick everything the police does. It makes you blind to the facts because you can only worship the badge like it's some sort of God.

If you are ignoring all the red flags because you can't see reality beyond your blind devotion then you've chosen to support a corrupt system and this girl's rapists.

When the truth comes out, I will be reminding you that you were on the wrong side.

Just finished watching Unbelievable, very similar theme to this in regards to the "false report" you should watch it if you get the chance (it's a true story) shows just how rape victims can be treated

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are no rapists. Only a false accuser

Stop making lies

I suggest you check your video-nasty sites LT, there's a video of her quite clearly saying no and telling the men who decided to join in to get out. That makes any further action they took unambiguously sexual assault.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I suggest you check your video-nasty sites LT, there's a video of her quite clearly saying no and telling the men who decided to join in to get out. That makes any further action they took unambiguously sexual assault.

Was this "video" used as evidence in court by her legal team?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Was this "video" used as evidence in court by her legal team?

The judge disallowed it as evidence because he is corrupt as ****, sadly.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Livia]

The only people who really know what happened are the alleged rapists and the girl. Some evidence on the Internet isn't enough... I tend to believe her, but I could be wrong and I'm surprised so many people have made up their mind conclusively. It's reminiscent to me of how Americans reacted to the Amanda Knox case.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

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I thought it was sarcasm as a response to LT and his view. but dunno

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

The only people who really know what happened are the alleged rapists and the girl. Some evidence on the Internet isn't enough... I tend to believe her, but I could be wrong and I'm surprised so many people have made up their mind conclusively. It's reminiscent to me of how Americans reacted to the Amanda Knox case.

yes exactly, that was another quite controversial case

i get your point Livia

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I thought it was sarcasm as a response to LT and his view. but dunno

oh yeah, i never thought of that but re-reading you may be right

[Kizzy]

I don't think anyone has made up their mind conclusively. All people want is due process, if that didn't happen they need to do over.

I don't see a link to reactions to Knox either, the cases were entirely different, she was the accused not the victim ... apart from the fact they are both young women I cant see the similarity in public reaction.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

The only people who really know what happened are the alleged rapists and the girl. Some evidence on the Internet isn't enough... I tend to believe her, but I could be wrong and I'm surprised so many people have made up their mind conclusively. It's reminiscent to me of how Americans reacted to the Amanda Knox case.

True but then, it is also very similar to the Knox case... it's fairly conclusive at this point that Knox was innocent and ended up being charged for political convenience (they needed an arrest and got impatient) and also convicted because she and Sollecito were coerced into making false statements without legal representation (whilst sleep deprived IIRC).

[Niamh.]

Also LT you keep saying that she said she didn't want a lawyer but I've been looking and can't find anything saying that, do you have a link or something to where you got that information? This is what I found :

Prosecutors said the woman willingly wrote and signed a statement retracting her claims 10 days after making the initial allegations.

The woman told the court this happened under duress with the threat of arrest and that she had been denied access to a lawyer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50945206

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also LT you keep saying that she said she didn't want a lawyer but I've been looking and can't find anything saying that, do you have a link or something to where you got that information? This is what I found :

Prosecutors said the woman willingly wrote and signed a statement retracting her claims 10 days after making the initial allegations.

The woman told the court this happened under duress with the threat of arrest and that she had been denied access to a lawyer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50945206

I think it was from that Jewish Times article I read yesterday or from the comments I cant recall I will see if i can get it from my history thing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

True but then, it is also very similar to the Knox case... it's fairly conclusive at this point that Knox was innocent and ended up being charged for political convenience (they needed an arrest and got impatient) and also convicted because she and Sollecito were coerced into making false statements without legal representation (whilst sleep deprived IIRC).

No to be controversial, TS, but I think Amanda Knox and her boyfriend were guilty. Their testimony did not match the physical evidence at the apartment... there's more, but that's quite another topic....

I think the reaction of Cypriot women spoke volumes about the legal system in Cyprus and their approach to rape. It's bad enough here...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think it was from that Jewish Times article I read yesterday or from the comments I cant recall I will see if i can get it from my history thing.

Ok but clearly this isn't a fact then if we have conflicting reports on it. I mean I don't see why she would refuse a lawyer though, it doesn't make alot of sense especially when the Police were making it clear they didn't believe her

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok but clearly this isn't a fact then if we have conflicting reports on it. I mean I don't see why she would refuse a lawyer though, it doesn't make alot of sense especially when the Police were making it clear they didn't believe her

No i dont think i stated it as a fact but that i read it in an article (but surely this would have come up in the court as her team must have brought this up?)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No i dont think i stated it as a fact but that i read it in an article (but surely this would have come up in the court as her team must have brought this up?)

Well the bit I posted above was from court?

[Cherie]

There is so much information/misinformation floating about


I do think I heard on Shelia Fogarty yesterday that she didn't think she needed a solicitor but the Cypriots did not advise her otherwise which would be in their duty of care

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There is so much information/misinformation floating about


I do think I heard on Shelia Fogarty yesterday that she didn't think she needed a solicitor but the Cypriots did not advise her otherwise which would be in their duty of care

Apparently she said in court that she was denied access to lawyer, that was from the BBC website

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well the bit I posted above was from court?

On one hand court, but on the other the comments section of an Israeli newspaper. I'm not sure what to believe

[Livia]

Over 50 Israelis have flown to Cyprus to stand by the British woman.

“The minimum we can do is to be there to offer support, to show her that we believe her,” said Orit Sulitzeanu, executive director of the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel, adding that the protest was partly out of disgust that the “boys returned to Israel as heroes.”

The Times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/cyprus...rters-on-hand/