[parmnion]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...eficit-economy

[Oliver_W]

I don't think she's ever made financial arguments for Scotland leaving the UK?

[The Slim Reaper]

Now take that energy forward into brexit.

[Twosugars]

And Britain will be worse off after brexit. But that's not stopping brexiters is it.
Scotland wants to take back control

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't think she's ever made financial arguments for Scotland leaving the UK?

She and Salmond did at the last referendum

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

She and Salmond did at the last referendum

Fair enough, I missed that then. The only arguments I've heard from her were about making their own laws and remaining in the EU.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Fair enough, I missed that then. The only arguments I've heard from her were about making their own laws and remaining in the EU.

The law is different in scotland anyway...even with that, to remain in the eu AND make your own laws isn't the easiest.

[Twosugars]

Scotland proudly European
Nicky is a smashing leader and we're stuck with bojo the clown

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Scotland proudly European
Nicky is a smashing leader and we're stuck with bojo the clown

please show a bit more respect for Boris, as he's doing the best he can to make UK leave with a deal

not his fault that French troll macron insists on keeping the backstop in the deal

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

please show a bit more respect for Boris, as he's doing the best he can to make UK leave with a deal

not his fault that French troll macron insists on keeping the backstop in the deal

Troll? What exactly do you suggest they do about the British Border within Ireland then?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

please show a bit more respect for Boris, as he's doing the best he can to make UK leave with a deal

not his fault that French troll macron insists on keeping the backstop in the deal

wait...what?..:/

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Troll? What exactly do you suggest they do about the British Border within Ireland then?

there was suggested Ireland leaving the EU and then there wouldn't be huge problems

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

there was suggested Ireland leaving the EU and then there wouldn't be huge problems

What? Are you having a ****ing laugh

[Rob!]

Nicky from Holland's analysis on British politics is always a TIBB highlight.

[Greg!]

Ugh YAWN! The English commentators trot out this same ****e every year. The Gers figures are NOT representative of what Scotland would be like as an independent country, for example it takes into account UK projects like Trident (100 billion quid) which we would be scrapping!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What? Are you having a ****ing laugh

the troll comment at macron was more because his priorities should more be at solving the ''yellow vests protests''

he could've already done something at that, made france better and no more protesting

and left negotiating with britain to Merkel and our dutch PM Rutte

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Troll? What exactly do you suggest they do about the British Border within Ireland then?

What is there between borders in continental Europe, when it comes to countries in and out of the EU?

Obviously it's not a problem which it comes to travel between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, as there's the sea border, but it's hard to know what to do between NI and ROI...

[bitontheslide]

There is no way to have a frictionless border and guarantee that appropriate duties are paid in both directions. Yes, they can use technology, but it would be so easy to exploit it that it's simply isn't worth the effort. Boris can't detail alternative solutions because nothing exists thats will adequately do the job

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Ugh YAWN! The English commentators trot out this same ****e every year. The Gers figures are NOT representative of what Scotland would be like as an independent country, for example it takes into account UK projects like Trident (100 billion quid) which we would be scrapping!

Blame the English from the off if you want...it didn't work for nicola, and it won't work for you.

[Toy Soldier]

It's based on the incorrect assumption that Scotland wouldn't be making several structural changes to the economy following independence such as scrapping Westminster mandated projects (which would happen), and also that the financial situation in the rUK is going to even vaguely resemble the current situation following Brexit (which it will not).

A second independence referendum is being proposed in the event of Brexit going through. Thus, current figures are meaningless.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

please show a bit more respect for Boris, as he's doing the best he can to make UK leave with a deal

not his fault that French troll macron insists on keeping the backstop in the deal

Sorry Nicky.
I haven't an ounce of respect for Johnson.

He is taking a way too extreme line on brexit and really his inconsistencies make him impossible to trust to do the best thing.

I actually admire Macron.
I think he is right in his view on the backstop and the Irish border issue

The UK sadly has no leader who would really try to govern for all.

Johnson for me will now more than likely bring about the end of the United Kingdom.
If he sticks to his hard line on brexit.

As for Scotland, they didn't and don't want to leave the EU.
The way Westminster governments of both Parties have taken Scotland for granted and used them as an initial dumping ground for policies like the poll tax.

I wouldn't say the Scots are better off in the UK really.
Certainly not so, even moreso if we leave the EU with no deal.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's based on the incorrect assumption that Scotland wouldn't be making several structural changes to the economy following independence such as scrapping Westminster mandated projects (which would happen), and also that the financial situation in the rUK is going to even vaguely resemble the current situation following Brexit (which it will not).

A second independence referendum is being proposed in the event of Brexit going through. Thus, current figures are meaningless.

Pretty much like all the crap we are to believe about the uks finances after brexit...good luck to you as a Scottish in scotland in the future..I wont be back.

[MTVN]

Sturgeon and Salmond always promised they'd match defence spending in an independent Scotland so that doesn't really fly..

It's clear that the bulk of this deficit is to do with Hollyrood's spending. Scotland's deficit is almost half of the entire UK's, it's 7% of their GDP as opposed to the UK as a whole which is 1.1%. That makes it one of the highest in Europe. The SNP bang on about their love for the EU but remember the measures the EU imposed on Greece, Portugal, Italy etc. when they ran up large deficits

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sturgeon and Salmond always promised they'd match defence spending in an independent Scotland so that doesn't really fly..

It's clear that the bulk of this deficit is to do with Hollyrood's spending. Scotland's deficit is almost half of the entire UK's, it's 7% of their GDP as opposed to the UK as a whole which is 1.1%. That makes it one of the highest in Europe. The SNP bang on about their love for the EU but remember the measures the EU imposed on Greece, Portugal, Italy etc. when they ran up large deficits

Very interesting..something to ponder for sure

[James]

'What would you cut?' No answer.