[Twosugars]

Toronto van attack suspect says he was 'radicalized' online by 'incels'
Alek Minassian said after his arrest he drew inspiration from men who used violence as retribution for ‘being unable to get laid’



The man accused of killing 10 people by ploughing his van onto a crowded Toronto sidewalk has admitted that he was a violent misogynist who was radicalized online, in a video that was made public on Friday.

Alek Minassian is accused of driving a rental van into a crowd on one of Toronto’s busiest streets, killing 10 pedestrians and injuring 16, in the deadliest act of mass murder in the city’s history.

The attack traumatized Canada’s largest city, and cast a spotlight on the so-called “incel” online subculture of men united by sexual frustration and a hatred of women.

In a nearly four-hour interview after his arrest, Minassian told police officers that he was virgin who had never had a girlfriend, admitted to using the van as a weapon and said he wanted to inspire more attacks.

Asked how he felt about the death of 10 people, he replied: “I feel like I accomplished my mission.”

Minassian will be tried in February on 10 charges of first-degree murder, as well as 16 counts of attempted murder. The video, and transcripts of the interview, were made public on Friday after an Ontario judge lifted a publication ban. Families of the victims were shown the video before it was released to the public.

During the meandering discussion with Detective Rob Thomas, Minassian said he belonged to an online subculture of sexually frustated men, and described his path towards radicalization, saying he drew inspiration from other men who used violence as a form of retribution for “being unable to get laid”.

“I know of several other guys over the internet who feel the same way,” he said, adding they are “too cowardly to act on their anger”.

Clad in a white prison jumpsuit, Minassian told police that his interactions with women left him embarrassed and angry. He described a Halloween party in 2013, where he tried to speak with young women, but was often ignored or laughed at.

“I consider myself a supreme gentleman,” he said, adding: “I was angry that they would give their love and affection to obnoxious brutes.”

A friend at Toronto’s Seneca College, where Minassian studied software development, first directed him to online message boards for men who identify as “involuntary celibates” or “incels”.

The group views their inability to meet women as punishment for their status as “beta-males” and direct their anger at the people with active sex lives who they derisively call “Chad” and “Stacey”.

Minassian claimed to have been in contact with Elliot Rodger, who killed six people and himself in a 2014 the campus at the University of California, Santa Barbara, in 2014. Rodger was a self-described incel who posted deeply misogynist videos and a sprawling online manifesto calling for an “overthrow” of what he said was feminist domination.

Minassian told police he was “radicalized” at around the time of Rodger’s attack – and began to fantasize about starting his own “rebellion”.

“I was thinking that I would inspire future masses to join me in my uprising as well,” he said.

He told police that he decided that a 10ft delivery van “was the perfect medium size to use as … my weapon”.

While he hadn’t initially chosen Yonge Street as his target – one of the busiest thoroughfares in Toronto – he decided it was “time to go for it” after seeing all of the pedestrians milling about the shops lining the street.

“I’m thinking that this is it – this is the day of retribution,” he told Thomas.

The video also revealed how the attack was stopped.

“Someone’s drink got splashed on my windshield, and I was worried that I would crash the van anyways,” said Minassian, explaining why he stopped the vehicle and got out.

He then sought out a police officer, hoping to provoke a “suicide by cop”. But Ken Lam, a constable, resisted opening fire on Minassian, even though he repeatedly pretended to draw a weapon.

“Unfortunately, he didn’t react,” said Minassian.

Minassian’s trial, which will begin in February 2020, will be overseen by only a judge alone. Minassian has admitted to driving the van but has not yet entered a plea. The judge overseeing the case has said that Minassian’s state of mind will be an important part of the trial.

[user104658]

Honestly I'm not surprised - incel forums are some of the most bizarre and terrifying corners of the internet . Genuinely unstable individuals, in large groups, feeding into each others delusions, never ends well.

[Twosugars]

Agree, TS. Let's face it , it was only a matter of time before one of those angry nutters would take things further

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Agree, TS. Let's face it , it was only a matter of time before one of those angry nutters would take things further

I would think it happens a lot more than we know about, with just individual assaults or even murders that wouldn't necessarily be linked to "incel stuff" unless the perpetrator mentioned it. Assaults especially, most probably aren't even reported at all.

It's very easy to go down the rabbit hole with these forums - Incels, Red Pill, MGTOW. Hours of reading with this face - .

MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) is a good one for just laughs though rather than it being scary... because the premise basically seems to be, a load of blokes swearing off women "until they start being nicer"... and they do stuff like hill walking and woodworking and drinking whiskey instead... with the idea being that their absense from the dating scene will be a major blow to womankind

[Twosugars]

What's red pill?

[Tom4784]

Incel violence is a real and dangerous threat that is forming part of the massive resurgence of Right Wing terrorism. There's a lot of fears in the US that the Joker film will likely see an attack similar to the mass shooting in Aurora back in 2012 and that it'll be carried out by an incel.

It's strange and terrifying how these people's minds work and how they are so unwilling to see the faults within and better themselves. They just whine about 'Chads' without realising that there would probably be someone out there for them if they weren't such odious people. They could be beautiful people on the outside but they still wouldn't find what they're after because it's their personality that's broken.

They always say it's about sex but I've always doubted that, if it truly was an issue of getting laid then why don't these people ever consider going to a prostitute? It's a deep hatred at the heart of these people and sex is just the excuse.

[arista]

Evil Loser

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

What's red pill?

The overall concept of "taking the red pill" is accepting the harsh truths of reality...

In this sense, the "red pill" group of men are essentially a bunch of aggressive misogynists / "pick-up artists" who have "taken the red pill" and are very proud of being aggressive misogynists.

It's hard to explain really. I think the actual reddit was removed / "quarantined" a while ago because it was full of - essentially - incitements to rape / abuse / treat women like animals.

I like to think of MGTOW's as peaceful red pill. They don't want to hurt anyone, they're just going to pick up their glass and... whittling tools... and amble off into the sunset to live in a cabin somewhere, away from the scary womens.

[Twosugars]

Thank you TS

What's wrong with those men! Jfc
We know some men can feel entitlement but constructing a whole false "reality" around it? That's psychotic

[Vicky.]

Yeah I used to read the incel reddit a bit too..only ever planning on reading say, one thread but ending up there for hours absolutely gobsmacked about how all those men think their problem in life is that women are too fridgid or something The thought process was interesting to watch though I guess.

RIP to those who died. This idiot better get a decent sentence, life actually meaning life should do it. Life meaning like 10 years is stupid and shouldnt even be called life..

[Kizzy]

Didn't this happen last year?
I think the likes of Jordan Peterson embolden these characters.

[JerseyWins]

Never heard of "incel" or "incel forums" before but that sounds AWFUL

Asked how he felt about the death of 10 people, he replied: “I feel like I accomplished my mission.”

This guy is sick, feels like even moreso than the typical mass murderer because he's so nonchalant about it in that article

[bots]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Never heard of "incel" or "incel forums" before but that sounds AWFUL


This guy is sick, feels like even moreso than the typical mass murderer because he's so nonchalant about it in that article

that statement alone should seal his fate for a whole life sentence

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

What's red pill?

It's from the film The Matrix.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

What's red pill?

In the Matrix, the character, Neo is offered the Red pill and the Blue pill by rebel leader Morpheus.

The Red pill represented an uncertain future-it would free him from the enslaving control of the machine-generated dream World and allow him to escape into the real World, but living the truth of reality is harsher and more difficult.

The Blue pill represented a beautiful prison, it would lead him back to ignorance, living in confined comfort without want or fear within the simulated reality of The Matrix.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Thank you TS

What's wrong with those men! Jfc
We know some men can feel entitlement but constructing a whole false "reality" around it? That's psychotic

So now we know what the Red pill is, who are these men you're talking about?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

So now we know what the Red pill is, who are these men you're talking about?

Redpill was (is?) a movement that started on Reddit, yes the name is taken from "taking the red pill" in The Matrix. As you say, "Taking the Red Pill" is a metaphor for accepting and embracing harsh reality, where the Blue Pill is a metaphor for accepting a comfortable, but unfulfilling, prison.

What these fellas believed, is that they were oppressed and "made weak" by women / shackled by... basically... having to be decent. They "took the Red Pill" and accepted (basically) that "blokes are supposed to be dominant", and used that "reality" as an excuse to use manipulation and pick-up techniques to shag around and essentially treat women like dirt, and then crow about it to each other.

I believe there was also a "red pill in marriage" movement that essentially amounted to married men "expressing their dominance" in ways that amounted to little more than spousal abuse.

Not nice chaps I'm sure you'll agree, Alf. Even Reddit shut down the main Red Pill forum, and Reddit allows A LOT.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Redpill was (is?) a movement that started on Reddit, yes the name is taken from "taking the red pill" in The Matrix. As you say, "Taking the Red Pill" is a metaphor for accepting and embracing harsh reality, where the Blue Pill is a metaphor for accepting a comfortable, but unfulfilling, prison.



What these fellas believed, is that they were oppressed and "made weak" by women / shackled by... basically... having to be decent. They "took the Red Pill" and accepted (basically) that "blokes are supposed to be dominant", and used that "reality" as an excuse to use manipulation and pick-up techniques to shag around and essentially treat women like dirt, and then crow about it to each other.



I believe there was also a "red pill in marriage" movement that essentially amounted to married men "expressing their dominance" in ways that amounted to little more than spousal abuse.



Not nice chaps I'm sure you'll agree, Alf. Even Reddit shut down the main Red Pill forum, and Reddit allows A LOT.

Scary stuff

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

So now we know what the Red pill is, who are these men you're talking about?

Incels. I thought that was obvious

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Incel violence is a real and dangerous threat that is forming part of the massive resurgence of Right Wing terrorism. There's a lot of fears in the US that the Joker film will likely see an attack similar to the mass shooting in Aurora back in 2012 and that it'll be carried out by an incel.

It's strange and terrifying how these people's minds work and how they are so unwilling to see the faults within and better themselves. They just whine about 'Chads' without realising that there would probably be someone out there for them if they weren't such odious people. They could be beautiful people on the outside but they still wouldn't find what they're after because it's their personality that's broken.

They always say it's about sex but I've always doubted that, if it truly was an issue of getting laid then why don't these people ever consider going to a prostitute? It's a deep hatred at the heart of these people and sex is just the excuse.

Incels overall come across very angry & bitter but the ones who can't form relationships are probably unable to ever find anyone as all they do is complain and moan and there's clearly alot of mental issues there , I don't think they're all the same . They're not all going to lash out and want to fight or kill women though but jeeez this story is insane . And the person is a lunatic who needs to be locked up for good! .

I've actually watched videos about MGTOW'S & incels and some of them either seem very defeated & sad at the whole relationship thing & dating and others are still angry from all the rejection & abuse they've had . And others seem to want to just be by themselves as they're too anxious and they find the whole dating process stressful .

Some of them have literally given up on finding a wife or girlfriend as they think nobody will want them , they think they're height, weight and looks are stopping them as they've apparently tried their luck with every type of woman they can think of and they swear all the women they've tried to ask out are not out of their league . And how people with disabilities, weight problems etc who probably find it difficult to date also reject them which clearly hurts them psychologically and they can't seem to get over that . So that seems to make them even more frustrated and angry .

But i keep thinking surely someone would date them if they had confidence and was friendly instead of negative ? . I know overall it's easier for women in ways to find a guy especially on these apps women get tons of messages.

And both men & women can be very shallow and picky which makes the process even harder .

Anyway to sum it all up if you're too happy and positive then you're living in ignorance and seen as BLUE PILL

If you're supposedly alert and thinks about the harsh reality alot and accept the sad truth then it's RED PILL

And the really negative grey clouds seem to be BLACK PILL

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah I used to read the incel reddit a bit too..only ever planning on reading say, one thread but ending up there for hours absolutely gobsmacked about how all those men think their problem in life is that women are too fridgid or something The thought process was interesting to watch though I guess.

Trying to track down the_truth?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Scary stuff

...really scary, he said that he would have continued in his killing but the drink of one of his victims spilled on his windscreen and marred his view...I had never heard the term ‘incel’...involuntary celibate...?...but he’s spoken of conversations with others of ‘turning life statuses to death statuses’ of females....and it’s known that these conversations and these sites of grouping together exist and it’s allowed to continue...?....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Trying to track down the_truth?

To be fair Truth had more of an MGTOW vibe than an Incel vibe.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Incels overall come across very angry & bitter but the ones who can't form relationships are probably unable to ever find anyone as all they do is complain and moan and there's clearly alot of mental issues there , I don't think they're all the same . They're not all going to lash out and want to fight or kill women though but jeeez this story is insane . And the person is a lunatic who needs to be locked up for good! .

I've actually watched videos about MGTOW'S & incels and some of them either seem very defeated & sad at the whole relationship thing & dating and others are still angry from all the rejection & abuse they've had . And others seem to want to just be by themselves as they're too anxious and they find the whole dating process stressful .

Some of them have literally given up on finding a wife or girlfriend as they think nobody will want them , they think they're height, weight and looks are stopping them as they've apparently tried their luck with every type of woman they can think of and they swear all the women they've tried to ask out are not out of their league . And how people with disabilities, weight problems etc who probably find it difficult to date also reject them which clearly hurts them psychologically and they can't seem to get over that . So that seems to make them even more frustrated and angry .

But i keep thinking surely someone would date them if they had confidence and was friendly instead of negative ? . I know overall it's easier for women in ways to find a guy especially on these apps women get tons of messages.

Most of them are defeated and sad, at first, but those emotions can quickly turn into frustration and anger given a little time. Especially if they get involved with groups who are actively telling them to "stop being sad, get angry".

Anyway, their main problem (all of them) is treating the opposite sex like another species. They're confused about why no one wants them when they're "doing everything right" like a checkbox exercise... and fail to realise that if they just treated everyone like a fellow human being without a constant ulterior motive, and engaged and conversed with people normally and without agenda, then plenty of people would be naturally drawn to them.

[bots]

It's the first time I've heard the term incel so it's an eye opener for me. I come from a group of people that has always contained married and single people, divorced or whatever. It has never stopped anyone in the group enjoying themselves or living life to the full. Life is too short. I think people that identify with incel would identify with something else if they were in a relationship because they just want to be unhappy. In this day and age, being in a relationship is neither a necessity or a requirement for fulfillment or happiness unless the person makes it so.