[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Unless there's profit to be made.


Stop cluthing your pearls.Cherie asked a simple question that merely whiffed the smell of your life

fair dues, I'm creepy now because I quoted something he posted a week ago... whatever next ....

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

fair dues, I'm creepy now because I quoted something he posted a week ago... whatever next ....

Don't bring me into it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Don't bring me into it.

I will if I like

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Lol you posted on the forum ...you know nothing about me...if I had posted what you did on the forum I would say its fair game..

It’s not creepy to quote something you posted so don’t bother trying to move the goalposts and intimate that you haven’t bothered to protect your customers, its someone else’s responsibility .. probably the government ...we get it

Yes it is someone else's responsibility with most organisations it's health and safety that would instigate and orchestrate that. It has in the company I work for. It's not my responsibility.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You know that you’re agreeing with yourself there ?


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Well duh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Dezzy..you openly brought your life onto the forum when you plugged your book.

Originally Posted by parmnion

But you brought your life onto the forum via your book

Wtf has a book got to do with his personal life.

[DouglasS]

I personally think Cherie has a lot of empathy and is one of the most sensible and polite members on this site. I don’t think you have crossed the line at all, if you work in retail and the social distancing rules aren’t being followed then that is relevant. Not everything is the governments responsibility, sometimes people And employees should take initiative and sort out problems rather than expect handouts/solutions for everything. This is a crisis the government can’t be equipped for everything all at once, it’s not happened before.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well duh

Exactly


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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Unless there's profit to be made.


Stop cluthing your pearls.Cherie asked a simple question that merely whiffed the smell of your life

Grow up and stick to the topic, this topic is not 'Do you think Dezzy's place of work as done a good job with Covid-19' so stop trying to make it about me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I personally think Cherie has a lot of empathy and is one of the most sensible and polite members on this site. I don’t think you have crossed the line at all, if you work in retail and the social distancing rules aren’t being followed then that is relevant. Not everything is the governments responsibility, sometimes people And employees should take initiative and sort out problems rather than expect handouts/solutions for everything. This is a crisis the government can’t be equipped for everything all at once, it’s not happened before.

Individual employees can't take company policy into their own hands unfortunately, information gets filtered down the chain of command and implanted and enforced by staff but the initial decision is not their remit, regardless of whether you feel it should be or not.
And to be fair if you haven't been targetted by a comment it's not your place to comment if members should be offended or not.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I personally think Cherie has a lot of empathy and is one of the most sensible and polite members on this site. I don’t think you have crossed the line at all, if you work in retail and the social distancing rules aren’t being followed then that is relevant. Not everything is the governments responsibility, sometimes people And employees should take initiative and sort out problems rather than expect handouts/solutions for everything. This is a crisis the government can’t be equipped for everything all at once, it’s not happened before.

Governments should always be criticised when they fail because when they fail, it costs lives. The fact is that the government knew how bad the situation would be and did little to tackle it until it was too late.

The people who are defending the government would not be doing so if it was Labour in charge but I'd still be criticising the government for this kind of response regardless of who is in charge. Bad choices are bad choices regardless of political alignment.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And to be fair if you haven't been targetted by a comment it's not your place to comment if members should be offended or not.

He didn't, he just gave his opinion

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by caprimint

He didn't, he just gave his opinion

And you just come in to give yours..not on the thread just the drama as usual. That's fine

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And you just come in to give yours..not on the thread just the drama as usual. That's fine

Oh Kizzy, irony couldn't be more relevant right now

[Kizzy]

Ok stacey. There's a lot of irony in this thread tbh.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I personally think Cherie has a lot of empathy and is one of the most sensible and polite members on this site. I don’t think you have crossed the line at all, if you work in retail and the social distancing rules aren’t being followed then that is relevant. Not everything is the governments responsibility, sometimes people And employees should take initiative and sort out problems rather than expect handouts/solutions for everything. This is a crisis the government can’t be equipped for everything all at once, it’s not happened before.

Thank you Douglas, the idea that staff need health and safety clearance to move a floor sticker they put down in the first place is one of the most bizarre claims I have heard on TiBB

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;10835200]Individual employees can't take company policy into their own hands unfortunately, information gets filtered down the chain of command and implanted and enforced by staff but the initial decision is not their remit, regardless of whether you feel it should be or not.
And to be fair if you haven't been targetted by a comment it's not your place to comment if members should be offended or not.[/QUOTE]

I haven't engaged you at all on this subject so why are you getting involved then

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=Cherie;10835226]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Individual employees can't take company policy into their own hands unfortunately, information gets filtered down the chain of command and implanted and enforced by staff but the initial decision is not their remit, regardless of whether you feel it should be or not.
And to be fair if you haven't been targetted by a comment it's not your place to comment if members should be offended or not.[/QUOTE]

I haven't engaged you at all on this subject so why are you getting involved then

Who said it was you? I was accused of exactly the same thing by a different member, I come on here to share my views, not have my character assassinated.
The suggestion that anyone wants or wills the government to fail is abhorrent as it effectively means more will suffer.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thank you Douglas, the idea that staff need health and safety clearance to move a floor sticker they put down in the first place is one of the most bizarre claims I have heard on TiBB

It's not bizarre, every place of work now has social distancing measures, they have been laid out on floor plans and cannot be moved... what is so difficult to understand?

Where I work H&S and the GM drew up the social distancing guidelines they ordered signage for the floor (that cannot be removed without a floor scraper) and the shift managers and team leaders put them in place.
I'm sure you realise this and are using this to try score points now...it's a bit transparent.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not bizarre, every place of work now has social distancing measures, they have been laid out on floor plans and cannot be moved... what is so difficult to understand?

Where I work H&S and the GM drew up the social distancing guidelines they ordered signage for the floor (that cannot be removed without a floor scraper) and the shift managers and team leaders put them in place.
I'm sure you realise this and are using this to try score points now...it's a bit transparent.

Not a floor scraper having to be utilised ….so having to use a bit of elbow grease is a no no then?

If they are incorrectly placed they must be moved, that is a no brainer, otherwise they are risking their customers health, and to intimate that this is some huge operation, you just need to go to your supermarket to see that some of the stickers have lifted already, and some are using tape instead or arrows in paint…the signs are not bolted into the ground requiring an angle grinder to remove lol

If anyone is transparent here it's you kizzy

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not a floor scraper having to be utilised ….so having to use a bit of elbow grease is a no no then?

If they are incorrectly placed they must be moved, that is a no brainer, otherwise they are risking their customers health, and to intimate that this is some huge operation, you just need to go to your supermarket to see that some of the stickers have lifted already, and some are using tape instead or arrows in paint…

If anyone is transparent here it's you kizzy

I'll have another go and then I'll leave it....
Say a colleague took it upon themselves to remove a sign that indicated spacing on a floor where would they put it? If all the signs were down they would have to move EVERY sign to maintain a uniform distance.

If for any reason they had any concerns this should be escalated to the correct department, that's how things happen. If everyone took things into their own hand there would be a lot of confusion.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'll have another go and then I'll leave it....
Say a colleague took it upon themselves to remove a sign that indicated spacing on a floor where would they put it? If all the signs were down they would have to move EVERY sign to maintain a uniform distance.

If for any reason they had any concerns this should be escalated to the correct department, that's how things happen. If everyone took things into their own hand there would be a lot of confusion.

Given we have been in lockdown for 5 weeks, it's reasonable to expect it would be rectified by now, and no one is expecting a colleague to do it off their own bat, we have to assume the stores concerned have managers in place, the store involved is treating their customers with contempt

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thank you Douglas, the idea that staff need health and safety clearance to move a floor sticker they put down in the first place is one of the most bizarre claims I have heard on TiBB

I've already explained why things can't be changed easily and without consequence over PM, acting like I haven't just so you can stick to a false agenda is not a good look.

Also, you know nothing about how shops work and function and it really shows.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not a floor scraper having to be utilised ….so having to use a bit of elbow grease is a no no then?

If they are incorrectly placed they must be moved, that is a no brainer, otherwise they are risking their customers health, and to intimate that this is some huge operation, you just need to go to your supermarket to see that some of the stickers have lifted already, and some are using tape instead or arrows in paint…the signs are not bolted into the ground requiring an angle grinder to remove lol

If anyone is transparent here it's you kizzy

So ignorant.

It's not abut 'elbow grease' (what a boomer af thing to say), it's about procedure. Again, I've already explained how the only thing we can do is log our complaints so why are you acting brand new in this thread when you've already been told the answer over PMs? You read and understood it there so why are you pretending you haven't in this topic and making it to be about an issue that it's not?

[Toy Soldier]

Just to weigh in with some retail management experience;

If the floor spacing is a Health & Safety issue (and I assume it would be classed as that) then a non-H&S member altering it without explicit instructions to do so from H&S or upper management - even if it is blatantly wrong - could be classed as serious misconduct.

Stupid? Yes, but hey that's company structures for you. We could all wax lyrical that people should "be heroes!" in "unpwethidented tymes!" and take matters into their own hands no matter the rules if they care blah blah blah but the reality is, expecting someone to risk their own income and wellbeing by over-stepping their responsibilities, and declaring it some sort of moral obligation, is several steps too far.