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07-05-2020, 10:27 AM | #1 | |||
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07-05-2020, 10:30 AM | #2 | |||
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‘But NZ is so much smaller than us, god stop the stupid comparisons!!’
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07-05-2020, 10:37 AM | #3 | |||
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07-05-2020, 11:03 AM | #4 | |||
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People aren't interested. I posted this last night, and folks automatically assume it's more about comparing countries than leadership.
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07-05-2020, 11:20 AM | #5 | |||
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She is an amazing leader tbf
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07-05-2020, 11:26 AM | #6 | |||
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She's definitely showing better leadership. But it really is easier to handle a crisis like this when an entire country has about half the population of London, they're controlling their borders, and citizens returning there are required to isolate.
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07-05-2020, 11:31 AM | #7 | |||
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Which is exactly what we should have done
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07-05-2020, 11:31 AM | #8 | |||
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I mean it is fair to point out that containing the virus in NZ is a million times more manageable than the UK. Be interested to see the dates on all the footage as well - NZ did not have any cases till March whereas we now know that it was in Europe already in December. Careful editing by Momentum as well as usual - cuts off the PM in the This Morning interview just before he says that letting it 'move through the population' was only one theory and he thought we should take a different approach
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07-05-2020, 11:35 AM | #9 | |||
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07-05-2020, 11:38 AM | #10 | |||
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Who, Douglas?
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Very highly edited video portraying a narrative.
It’s indefinitely eaisier to control a virus with a country on an island with a far smaller population. The thing about exponential growth is that if the population is far smaller And isolated, the problem is almost exponentially eaisier to deal with. Not to say New Zealand haven’t done a tremendous job as they clearly have, but it’s not possible to even compare the U.K. or US to that situation as it’s just entirely different. Outside of London weve done relatively well, which is almost like comparing that to New Zealand
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07-05-2020, 11:38 AM | #11 | |||
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Yes I watched it Smithy
Very Clever Editing by the Labour crew. Johnson PM made many errors. |
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07-05-2020, 11:40 AM | #12 | ||
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Jacinda has been the most impressive leader throughout the world she’s amazing, along with Merkel
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07-05-2020, 11:41 AM | #13 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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It was never to let it spread through the population unfettered, the thinking was that that was inevitable anyway one way or the other but that it should be contained as much as possible when cases were low and then the spread delayed so that the spread of infection was manageable
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07-05-2020, 11:41 AM | #14 | |||
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This Witch doesn't burn
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She is a great leader, and Boris et al have made mistakes, but its not a comparable scenario, for a start 9 million masks would be eaten up in London in a week.
The unfortunate thing about idle comparisons like this is that gives grist to the mill of extreme right wingers regarding immigration and overcrowding in some of our cities, and the narrative is being pushed by the left ironically, you are 4 times more likely to die if you are black, and you are more likely to live in a crowded city as well. Analysis from the Office for National Statistics found that black men and women were more than four times more likely to die after contracting Covid-19 than those of white ethnicity,
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'put a bit of lippy on and run a brush through your hair, we are alcoholics, not savages' Last edited by Cherie; 07-05-2020 at 12:03 PM. |
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07-05-2020, 11:47 AM | #15 | |||
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I also posted this in the other thread but given no one responded here it is again
Why is Sweden not being held up for examination by Europe as to its herd immunity policy and can someone explain the following Both countries with a similar population of 10 Million Covid Deaths Belgium :8,016 Portugal:1,074 Both locked down 17th March NB Belgium are counting care home deaths
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'put a bit of lippy on and run a brush through your hair, we are alcoholics, not savages' Last edited by Cherie; 07-05-2020 at 12:05 PM. |
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07-05-2020, 11:49 AM | #16 | |||
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07-05-2020, 11:54 AM | #17 | |||
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Boris told us we should just let it move through the population and just ‘take it on the chin’, it was most certainly their ‘strategy’ to let as many people as possible to get infected
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07-05-2020, 11:55 AM | #18 | |||
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Still can’t believe he had the cheek to really say “Our apparent success”
The delusion is unreal.
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07-05-2020, 12:02 PM | #19 | |||
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Yes he did, no one is disputing that at all?
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07-05-2020, 12:16 PM | #20 | ||
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There's plenty of scope for discussing that but trying to directly link it to the Covid situation or the stats/numbers is a tenuous hypothesis and an unhelpful discussion. |
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07-05-2020, 12:17 PM | #21 | |||
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I do wonder if it's a genetic thing, like how some races are more likely to get some diseases or disabilities than others; or if it's due to how many of our front liners are BAME, so are more likely to come across it. Or is it because they're more likely to live in big cities, which are basically Petri dishes at the best of times... |
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07-05-2020, 12:21 PM | #22 | ||
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07-05-2020, 12:25 PM | #23 | ||
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It comes from tribalism, ego and misplaced loyalty.
The government has handled this situation terribly but you'll get Tory voters who see the government's failure as their own try and spin it to their benefit because doing so benefits their 'team'. These people treat politics like it's football and it's gross. Loyalty to political parties is ****ing stupid, you give them your votes and you take away that vote at the next election if they don't do what they said they were gonna do or if they **** up in a major way but a lot of Tory voters will vote blindly, often against their own interests, because they don't want to admit they were wrong and they want to 'own the libs' etc which is why, no matter what happens or how long it's been since Labour was in power, you'll still get Tory voters bleating on about labour governments although they've suffered the past ten years under the Tories. Labour are irrelevant at this point yet you'd think they were still in power given how people use them to distract themselves from the decisions of the actual party in power. You can't really justify how delayed and how callous the government's initial response to Covid was. Boris saw people as disposable and those same people would probably still cheer for him now, it's gross. |
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07-05-2020, 12:31 PM | #24 | |||
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07-05-2020, 12:32 PM | #25 | |||
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People were asked to self isolate if they had symptoms they didn't do it, remember the woman who returned from China and took an Uber to A and E with her symptoms
and there were loads who came back from Italy after half term who didn't either, they were on phone in's saying they had mild symptoms so were going to work anyway
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'put a bit of lippy on and run a brush through your hair, we are alcoholics, not savages' Last edited by Cherie; 07-05-2020 at 12:33 PM. |
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