[arista]

Youtube video

Brings in Thatcher.

[Oliver_W]

Why is such a bland song causing so much "discourse"

It's no different to tons of others which are constantly being churned out...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why is such a bland song causing so much "discourse"

It's no different to tons of others which are constantly being churned out...

It because of a Debate in the Guardian.


[On the YouTube comments :Emsea says:
Russell, I commend you. You have such an
incredible gift to speak so eloquently and
clearly. You use this gift to shed light
on constructs that I feel are often built
up by society to confuse us and lead us astray.
You're a lighthouse.
I am so grateful for you and I'm sure
countless others are, as well. Thank you - we love you!]

[Smithy]

Nobody asked for his opinion

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Nobody asked for his opinion

So many Love him

[Samm]

from someone who built his entire career on his over sexuality... no. and he’s a man trying to validate how women should express their sexuality.. nope

[Nicky91]

and if you want the proof, watch Rock of Ages, where he tongues Alec Baldwin

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hypocrite much Russell

[Niamh.]

I don't think Russell is a hypocrite, he's never denied his past but he's moved on from there, that's like saying a reformed drug addict can't say they think drugs are bad

In regards to the song, I hope its not an example of modern feminism, its just a load of gutter mouthed trash and would be the same if it were a man singing about his penis

[Toy Soldier]

As both the song and video are quite blatantly aimed at men, I have to call BS on it being feminist. It strikes me as the same brand of "feminism" that insists that giving Ł10 handjobs down the alley behind the pub is an "empowering" economic choice.

[Toy Soldier]

I don't think it's porn either, though, it might be intended as a "snap back". Like "Hey if male rappers can have songs about getting pussy we can have the same thing too"... But how about BOTH grow up a bit?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As both the song and video are quite blatantly aimed at men, I have to call BS on it being feminist. It strikes me as the same brand of "feminism" that insists that giving Ł10 handjobs down the alley behind the pub is an "empowering" economic choice.

Yep totally agree.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As both the song and video are quite blatantly aimed at men, I have to call BS on it being feminist. It strikes me as the same brand of "feminism" that insists that giving Ł10 handjobs down the alley behind the pub is an "empowering" economic choice.

To add to that, one of the comments made a good point as well - before it was men objectifying women for men, now its women objectifying themselves for men, same end result, that isn't progress

[Shaun]

I wouldn't necessarily agree it's objectifying themselves, if anything they're objectifying men by saying they only want the ones with worthy penises

I don't think this video is either anti-feminist or pro-feminist, it's just... attention-grabbing and it appears to have worked. It's a mildly catchy song but it's not going to go down as anything of major influence or value.

[Niamh.]

Worthy penises

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I wouldn't necessarily agree it's objectifying themselves, if anything they're objectifying men by saying they only want the ones with worthy penises



I don't think this video is either anti-feminist or pro-feminist, it's just... attention-grabbing and it appears to have worked. It's a mildly catchy song but it's not going to go down as anything of major influence or value.

Nah the whole thing appeals to the male power fantasy; it's just an invitation to imagine that that "worthy penis" is, obviously, "you" (the listener). I mean half of the rest of it is about ramming that "worthy penis" down her throat. Porn stuff 4 men.

[Liam-]

Nobody bats an eyelid when put out songs about sex, but woman are still expected to remain silent about their sexualities, is the song great? No, is it going to forward the feminist movement any? No, but who cares? It’s just a song, I will never understand why things like this trigger people so much, especially the blokes who probably watch porn on the regs but have a coronary whenever a women talks about sex.

And as for Brand, I love him, but he is a hypocrite, he made a career from being a famous sex addict, that was his whole shtick, he gave a bloke a handjob in a public bathroom for a tv show ffs.

[Ammi]

...I do t really know how I feel about what he’s saying....I want to give it more thought...but if this is just emulating ‘Male’ hip hop in terms of having a sexist/male dominated content...etc...?...why are these things only analysed when it’s females doing the same or similar things...why does it take females to produce this type of content, for Russell of anyone to feel its discussion worthy..?...

[Ammi]

....also, did he describe it as erotica/he sees it as erotica...?...but isn’t that also the thing that often happens with females...that ‘erotica’ is only how he’s seeing the ladies...I didn’t see them as that...

[Ammi]

...will think about this...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nobody bats an eyelid when put out songs about sex, but woman are still expected to remain silent about their sexualities, is the song great? No, is it going to forward the feminist movement any? No, but who cares? It’s just a song, I will never understand why things like this trigger people so much, especially the blokes who probably watch porn on the regs but have a coronary whenever a women talks about sex.

And as for Brand, I love him, but he is a hypocrite, he made a career from being a famous sex addict, that was his whole shtick, he gave a bloke a handjob in a public bathroom for a tv show ffs.

I certainly don't think women should remain silent about our sexualities but i don't really believe that she wants a cock rammed down her throat either so is she being honest about her sexuality or is it more like what TS said and playing more to what men like to think women want sexually?

[Ammi]

...I just wish these things were not just discussed when it’s females and more dismissed/disregarded/ignored/or whatever when it’s males...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I just wish these things were not just discussed when it’s females and more dismissed/disregarded/ignored/or whatever when it’s males...

That is true, both are trash imo I suppose its discussed more when its women because it happens less but I still definitely agree with your point

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I certainly don't think women should remain silent about our sexualities but i don't really believe that she wants a cock rammed down her throat either so is she being honest about her sexuality or is it more like what TS said and playing more to what men like to think women want sexually?

Who knows what she enjoys? Not to get too graphic but ‘’throat ****ing’ is a practiced sexual activity, she could very well enjoy it, I personally couldn’t care less if she does it or not, that’s her business, what bothers me is that women are held to a much higher standard than men when it comes to sex and expressing themselves around it, you can pretty much guarantee men like Brand or Shapiro would have nothing to say if a bloke released this song from their perspective

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That is true, both are trash imo I suppose its discussed more when its women because it happens less but I still definitely agree with your point

...yeah, I just think that if this is a worthy discussion...then why isn’t/wasn’t it worthy with so many songs where the sexual content is so male dominated ...and yet this one song...?...and apparently it’s discussable and inferring that it shouldn’t be something that’s okay for either without labelling it ‘erotica’, like in the discussion/or opinion vid...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Who knows what she enjoys? Not to get too graphic but ‘’throat ****ing’ is a practiced sexual activity, she could very well enjoy it, I personally couldn’t care less if she does it or not, that’s her business, what bothers me is that women are held to a much higher standard than men when it comes to sex and expressing themselves around it, you can pretty much guarantee men like Brand or Shapiro would have nothing to say if a bloke released this song from their perspective

Maybe she does but I'm willing to bet most women don't. I have heard of throat ****ing and I'm pretty sure it's mainly done for the enjoyment if the giver rather than the receiver.