[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I think it's a problem that an important cause has been hijacked by a movement which constantly riots and leaves a trail of destruction

Yes he makes the point that all social justice movements start off with good intension and then get enveloped in personal gain, corruption and getting way, way off course

[Niamh.]

Reopened this after deleting a pile of posts, can you all please stick to the topic and not each other, thanks

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't know who Douglas Murray is, but he's right - people who bang on about race and racism sound like they spend most of their time on the internet, and never really speak to real people. Obviously there are racists out there, but they're rare. Virtually no-one cares what colour skin someone's got.

And comments like that sound like they were made by someone who doesn't speak to real people when they speak on behalf of minorities and try to correct them about THEIR experiences of racism that are not and will never be yours.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I think it's a problem that an important cause has been hijacked by a movement which constantly riots and leaves a trail of destruction

Or, you've allowed yourself to believe that's the case to undermine a cause you don't really like.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Or, you've allowed yourself to believe that's the case to undermine a cause you don't really like.

I don't like any cause which consistently destroys so much. Why would anyone like such a movement - because they agree with their name?

[Glenn.]

Imagine thinking buildings are more important than people

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Imagine thinking buildings are more important than people

Everyone knows buildings are nowhere near as important as people. But there is a debate to be had as far as the 'are the protests being handled and demonstrated correctly'. It just paints a bad picture when local businesses, cars, and other property is needlessly be destroyed.

What if an innocent person got trapped in one of the burning buildings for example?

I think most people who ask the question, know a human life matters more than a building, but is it really necessary to burn down a local shop? What does that achieve?

[Cherie]

If it’s your place of work and your arse is parked on the dole because the building has burned down, that building is quite important...no?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Imagine thinking buildings are more important than people

Imagine thinking that "their methods are wrong" equates to "their beliefs are wrong."

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If it’s your place of work and your arse is parked on the dole because the building has burned down, that building is quite important...no?

I’d have thought the building would have insurance? Buildings can get repaired. Bullets to the head can’t

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’d have thought the building would have insurance? Buildings can get repaired. Bullets to the head can’t

You should let them burn your home down because obviously it’s a great cause and will achieve an end to racism.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’d have thought the building would have insurance? Buildings can get repaired. Bullets to the head can’t

They're two separate things, anyone who does either is just scum. Destroying people's livelihoods won't repair a bullet to the head any more than simply being insured will erase the hardship that the riots bring to business owners.

The owners of the B & L Office Furniture, Scott Carpenter and his mother Linda, told Townhall they had been in business for over 40 years and were extremely disheartened to see the store being torched.

"I don't know what's next, what do we do next, other than clean up and I have some loose ends with some customers that we have going on," Scott said, adding "we can't leave our customers hanging...but I feel sadden because this is done."

Linda said they'll try to keep working.

"It's not justifiable," Scott said. "We have insurance, yeah, but the insurance isn't there so somebody can destroy your things...we pay for it. It causes insurance rates to go up. It's basically theft. Whoever did this stole from us."

Scott's warning to business owners who still have stores standing to "be ready" for Tuesday night and told the rioters that burning down random businesses isn't helping. When Scott was talking with a local news crew, Linda came up crying in shock from the damage to the store.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julior...chaos-n2575006

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You should let them burn your home down because obviously it’s a great cause and will achieve an end to racism.

As per usual sheriff with your ridiculous examples.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

As per usual sheriff with your ridiculous examples.

No, if your happy with an office to be burned down you should be happy for your home to be burned down you will be doing your bit.

Yes it sounds ridiculous because you are being ridiculous thinking it’s ok to burn some one else’s property and livelihood down.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No, if your happy with an office to be burned down you should be happy for your home to be burned down you will be doing your bit.

Yes it sounds ridiculous because you are being ridiculous thinking it’s ok to burn some one else’s property and livelihood down.

Ok

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No, if your happy with an office to be burned down you should be happy for your home to be burned down you will be doing your bit.

Yes it sounds ridiculous because you are being ridiculous thinking it’s ok to burn some one else’s property and livelihood down.

Good post

[Kizzy]

Farage is the British face of facism, there is not one quality he possesses that I would consider 'British' he and his kindare a bastardisation of right wing conservative values. It's this that's being vomited up as an example of patriotism.

If anyone can name one positive example of British culture that he extols, just one thing that he advocates that does not involve denigrating or subjugating others I will change my mind.

There you go.. challenge for someone, what exactly is farage view of patriotism, how does it manifest? Is it anything like brits are, contrary to popular belief im very proud of the British people..I just don't see any of the will and the fortitude we have celebrated in his words, just how to keep others out or down.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Farage is the British face of facism

No kzzy

He just isn't

[Oliver_W]

I neither like nor dislike Farage but it's bonkers to definitively say hes a fascist based on his being an idiot teen and making a poster with a big long line of people.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No kzzy

He just isn't

That doesn't disprove my argument.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That doesn't disprove my argument.

It’s an opinion not an argument.

[bitontheslide]

I don't like farage, i never have, but he voices opinions that are very popular amongst millions of Britains. His political views are not fascist and people don't help their cause by labelling people something they are not. The best way to defeat Farage is to argue against his views without resorting to insults

[Ammi]

....hmmm....but that’s what Populism is, surely...it follows views and attaches itself to them so obviously that’s what it’s going to voice...and it’s a disingenuous voice, only spoken for its own gain and it’s own ambition..it’s not based on a belief system or any desire for change etc... it’s in it for the money, honey...and also to create a divisive voice in a nation, so it can count its income while watching that divide through its ivory window...’arguing against’ just feeds it further and is exactly what is hoped for ....ignoring, ignoring is the only way...but that will never happen because of the nature of the beast of Populism....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’d have thought the building would have insurance? Buildings can get repaired. Bullets to the head can’t

You are missing the point, insurance will rebuild the building, in the meantime, any business it housed could go bust and create endless human misery

[bitontheslide]

Farage voices mainstream views, they are only considered divisive by those who are equally "divisive" but politically polar opposite