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Denver · 01-10-2020, 01:53 AM

Denver · 01-10-2020, 01:54 AM

Well that didn't work

Denver · 01-10-2020, 02:00 AM

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Tom4784 · 01-10-2020, 03:32 AM

It doesn't work for me but ALM has always been a crock of **** spouted by racists who see the mention of black people mattering as an attack on them.

The same people who cry all lives matter, will be the pro-choice crowd that screams at women outside of abortion clinics but don't waste a thought on children they try to force women to have after they are born. The ALM crowd is the same crowd that downplays Trump's concentration camps at the borders, they are the same crowd that cheers whenever the police murder an innocent person. ALM is just code for 'White Lives Matter (the most)'.

bitontheslide · 01-10-2020, 05:22 AM

the simple truth is that all lives do matter, and it's just politics trying to make it mean something else

Kazanne · 01-10-2020, 08:44 AM

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the simple truth is that all lives do matter, and it's just politics trying to make it mean something else

Toy Soldier · 01-10-2020, 08:48 AM

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the simple truth is that all lives do matter, and it's just politics trying to make it mean something else

Ehhhh welllll... I mean the more horrible truth is that to those in high-up positions of power, NO lives matter all that much. They don't really give a crap about individual human lives. Only money matters, therefore, after themselves (the only people they thing matter) there's a heirarchy that goes; Rich people (any) > white middle-income people > minority middle-income people > low income white people >>>> low income minorities.

There IS a discrepancy for black people in the US, I don't think that can be denied, they are clearly right at the bottom in terms of how much their lives matter to the fatcats, but anyone who thinks that their life actually matters in any meaningful way to those at the top of the tree is fooling themselves.

I feel like the message should be "none of us matter to them, so let's at least equally matter to each other".

LeatherTrumpet · 01-10-2020, 09:00 AM

slogans are just slogans and mean nothing

Elliot · 01-10-2020, 09:16 AM

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the simple truth is that all lives do matter, and it's just politics trying to make it mean something else

The people who gave that phrase meaning were racist trying to stop black people from talking about racism. If you wanna blame anyone for politicising the concept of lives mattering, blame them

bitontheslide · 01-10-2020, 09:20 AM

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The people who gave that phrase meaning were racist trying to stop black people from talking about racism. If you wanna blame anyone for politicising the concept of lives mattering, blame them

the phrase has been in existence far longer than the recent political nonsense

Nicky91 · 01-10-2020, 09:21 AM

oops

Toy Soldier · 01-10-2020, 09:31 AM

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oops

This is obviously not about black rights movements though - there are actual (tiny, but existing) black racial-supremacist groups and that's most likely what he was talking about... ensuring that the discourse remains focussed on equality and doesn't edge into supremacy.

Although Terry Crews made a similar statement recently and was absolutely torn to shreds for it, so who knows.

thesheriff443 · 01-10-2020, 09:39 AM

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Ehhhh welllll... I mean the more horrible truth is that to those in high-up positions of power, NO lives matter all that much. They don't really give a crap about individual human lives. Only money matters, therefore, after themselves (the only people they thing matter) there's a heirarchy that goes; Rich people (any) > white middle-income people > minority middle-income people > low income white people >>>> low income minorities.

There IS a discrepancy for black people in the US, I don't think that can be denied, they are clearly right at the bottom in terms of how much their lives matter to the fatcats, but anyone who thinks that their life actually matters in any meaningful way to those at the top of the tree is fooling themselves.

I feel like the message should be "none of us matter to them, so let's at least equally matter to each other".

Great post.

People in power are happy to send any colour to war and die to keep their hand in the game.

Kizzy · 01-10-2020, 12:44 PM

Nobody has said all lives don't matter though... that's the issue. Saying black lives matter does not mean that other lives matter less they matter the same.
That's what equality is, at the moment black lives are disproportionatly affected by certain issues. Hence the reminders that black lives matter. ...as much.. not less than, not more than, as much.

Getting a bit sick of all the smoke and mirrors around this, well white lives matter!..Blue lives!. .

Yes we know, nobody has ever suggested they don't and there is no evidence to support they are disproportionatly affected by any of the issues black lives have been found to be. So those movements are a misnomer to detract from the real issue.

Acknowledging your privilege does not affect your rights, it does not have a detrimental effect on other white people.
Accepting that some officers have gone beyond the parimetres of their role is not suggesting blue lives don't matter.

It's very important to maintain logic and perspective here and not get dragged down a rabbit hole that takes away from the original point.

Marsh. · 01-10-2020, 12:53 PM

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the simple truth is that all lives do matter, and it's just politics trying to make it mean something else

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Way to miss the point entirely.

Liam- · 01-10-2020, 01:02 PM

All lives matter is something racists say because they don’t like black people having public support

Toy Soldier · 01-10-2020, 01:35 PM

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Acknowledging your privilege does not affect your rights, it does not have a detrimental effect on other white people.

I agree with that but I just also think that if the goal and thinking of BLM is to have black lives matter just as much as the average white life does... well, that's a pretty ****ing low bar. Of course parity is a great starting point but let's not pretend that if there was full racial equality, the average life would actually matter to anyone up the chain. Most lives don't matter, not to anyone other than those close to that individual, and it's cute that anyone would think they do. It's a joke. People out shouting that black lives matter in the streets of London wearing a sloganed T-shirt made by an 8 year old earning 50p a day if they're lucky. Does anyone care? Maybe, in principle, but not THAT much, we carry on as we are. Again I recognize my relative privilege over ethnic minorities in the west, and all of our privilege over people who spend their entire lives being exploited for peanuts, but it's ALL smoke and mirrors. We all play the damn game.

rusticgal · 01-10-2020, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the simple truth is that all lives do matter, and it's just politics trying to make it mean something else

rusticgal · 01-10-2020, 01:44 PM

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All lives matter is something racists say because they don’t like black people having public support

In your opinion...

Kizzy · 01-10-2020, 01:50 PM

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I agree with that but I just also think that if the goal and thinking of BLM is to have black lives matter just as much as the average white life does... well, that's a pretty ****ing low bar. Of course parity is a great starting point but let's not pretend that if there was full racial equality, the average life would actually matter to anyone up the chain. Most lives don't matter, not to anyone other than those close to that individual, and it's cute that anyone would think they do. It's a joke. People out shouting that black lives matter in the streets of London wearing a sloganed T-shirt made by an 8 year old earning 50p a day if they're lucky. Does anyone care? Maybe, in principle, but not THAT much, we carry on as we are. Again I recognize my relative privilege over ethnic minorities in the west, and all of our privilege over people who spend their entire lives being exploited for peanuts, but it's ALL smoke and mirrors. We all play the damn game.

How about we deal with one issue at a time? Nobody has said or suggested that any race is any further up the greasy pole. Everyone is aware of the problems surrounding consumerism, exploitation and corruption all over the globe. Accepting that there are discrepancies in western democracies is a good place to start in promoting equal rights and treatment for all however.
If we don't support black lives as white people we are just as guilty of perpetuating the norm and nothing will ever change.

Denver · 01-10-2020, 01:54 PM

The people who spout all lives matter don't like blacks, Asians, Mexicans, gays, trans ect do how can all lives matter

Toy Soldier · 01-10-2020, 01:56 PM

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How about we deal with one issue at a time? Nobody has said or suggested that any race is any further up the greasy pole. Everyone is aware of the problems surrounding consumerism, exploitation and corruption all over the globe. Accepting that there are discrepancies in western democracies is a good place to start in promoting equal rights and treatment for all however.
If we don't support black lives as white people we are just as guilty of perpetuating the norm and nothing will ever change.

I said "Of course parity is a great starting point" Kizzy. I don't really think it is a "first step" though... I'm nowhere near enough of an optimist to believe that consumerism will ever be "fixed" or that global exploitation will ever end (until it ALL ends). Play the game the best you can I guess. Some people need to continue trying, I suppose, for their own existential well-being and that's fine. Small improvements can't hurt.