[Niamh.]

ment.

Kamala Harris ‘hates’ Boris Johnson, with Joe Biden’s team taking a dim view of a comment made by Johnson they believed was racist, it is claimed. Aides close to Biden and Harris, the new president-elect and vice-president elect, recalled the disgust over a remark the British PM made about Barack Obama in 2016.

That source told The Sunday Times: ‘If you think Joe hates him, you should hear Kamala.’ Johnson reportedly attracted the power-pair’s ire after calling former President Obama’s decision to remove a bust of Winston Churchill from the Oval Office ‘a symbol of the part-Kenyan president’s ancestral dislike of the British empire.’

Obama was the United States’ first African-American president, and was born to an American mother and a Kenyan father. He appointed Biden as his Vice President in 2008. Harris is the highest-ranking woman ever to hold office in the US, and is the daughter of an Indian biologist and Jamaican professor.

One of Obama’s former aides who also worked alongside Biden, Tommy Vietor, was quick to highlight Johnson’s prior gaffe on Twitter, writing: ‘We will never forget your racist comments about Obama and slavish devotion to Trump.’ He also branded Johnson a ‘shapeshifting creep.’

Biden and Harris’s alleged coolness towards Johnson emerged as Downing Street sources told of the delicate negotiations currently underway to try and establish a rapport between British leader and his incoming American counterparts.

Johnson played up his camaraderie with President Donald Trump, who will be replaced by Biden in January. And Trump’s fondness for the British leader also has the potential to taint him in the eyes of the new American president.

The British prime minister reportedly wants to talk to Biden about next year’s UN Climate Summit, which will be held in the UK in the hopes of buttering him up.

Biden has pledged to take America back into the 2015 Paris Accord aimed at tackling climate change, which Trump exited in 2018.

But a Democratic source told the Times: ‘They do not think Boris Johnson is an ally. They think Britain is an ally.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/08/kamal...-13557121/amp/

[Kate!]

Good character judgment

[James]

Didn't she call Biden racist in one of their debates?

It would help if these papers actually named their sources.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

Didn't she call Biden racist in one of their debates?

It would help if these papers actually named their sources.

No

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9244041620

[Cherie]

Politics is very fluid, Bojo won't be in charge forever, remember when people used to say the UK would be Trumps bitch, and look where he is now

[Liam-]

She’s a good egg

[LeatherTrumpet]

here are the takeaways

they believed was racist

If you think Joe hates him, you should hear Kamala


so one comment that they think was racist and now they hate him?

Is this women fit for office?

Do you want such a person in a position of power?


chilling, going forward. such intolerance

[James]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9244041620

Oh, I wasn't remembering it right.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

here are the takeaways

they believed was racist

If you think Joe hates him, you should hear Kamala


so one comment that they think was racist and now they hate him?

Is this women fit for office?

Do you want such a person in a position of power?


chilling, going forward. such intolerance

Chilling

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

after calling former President Obama’s decision to remove a bust of Winston Churchill from the Oval Office ‘a symbol of the part-Kenyan president’s ancestral dislike of the British empire.’

Playing devil's advocate though - IS that actually racist? I would think it might be accurate and a perfectly good reason to not want a Churchill bust in your office, because Churchill's attitudes towards Africa were awful.

I suppose it depends on the tone of how Boris said it though - was he being understanding (doubtful...) or dismissive (I think likely).

[James]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9244041620

Originally Posted by James

Oh, I wasn't remembering it right.

Well I've watched the clip, and there is definitely an emphasis on 'but' in 'I don't believe you are a racist... but...'

Youtube video

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

Well I've watched the clip, and there is definitely an emphasis on 'but' in a 'I don't believe you are a racist... but...'

Youtube video

Yes that's what it says in the article I posted? She clearly says I don't think you're a racist so no she didn't call him racist

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

here are the takeaways

they believed was racist

If you think Joe hates him, you should hear Kamala


so one comment that they think was racist and now they hate him?

Is this women fit for office?

Do you want such a person in a position of power?


chilling, going forward. such intolerance

I highly doubt that either of them would use the word "hate" themselves, and would call it dislike, which is absolutely fair enough. Also the difference between Trump and .... erm... pretty much every other world leader, is that Trump allows his personal dislike of individuals to dictate his policies for entire swathes of people. I cannot see Biden/Harris doing that. Even if you believe they would do it on a personal level... it's not the platform they're operating from and there's no chance they're going to want to seem like "Blue Trumps". They will deal with the UK professionally whether or not they like the PM. So refreshing to not have to worry about one man's personal whims constantly eh?

[LeatherTrumpet]

It reeks of populist cancel culture and as with many of these things tells you a lot more about her than it does about say Boris

[Tom4784]

The taste leapt out.

[James]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes that's what it says in the article I posted? She clearly says I don't think you're a racist so no she didn't call him racist

Yeah, I got that wrong. It sounds in the clip that she doesn't think Biden is racist, but he did some racist things.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by James

Well I've watched the clip, and there is definitely an emphasis on 'but' in 'I don't believe you are a racist... but...'

I don't think saying "I don't believe you to be racist but" has the same implications as ye olde "I'm not racist, but..."


The former I would say is genuine - "I don't think you are a racist person, so here is something to think about".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think saying "I don't believe you to be racist but" has the same implications as ye olde "I'm not racist, but..."


The former I would say is genuine - "I don't think you are a racist person, so here is something to think about".

I just listened to the clip (half of it anyway) and she actually says - I don't believe you are racist and I agree with you when you point out the importance of finding common ground

[bitontheslide]

There have been times where labour governments have dealt perfectly well with republican ones where they had completely different politics. It's not anything new. The usa need to accept that at least for now Boris is the legitimately elected PM by a landslide

[Ammi]

...the more I’m hearing Kamala Harris, the more I’m liking her...she really is impassioned, while still putting her words across so excellently......

[The Slim Reaper]

Chilling

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just listened to the clip (half of it anyway) and she actually says - I don't believe you are racist and I agree with you when you point out the importance of finding common ground

She does go on to point out that in the past (going quite far back) he sometimes hasn't opposed policies that could be seen as racist. He denies that she has the full details right, and does look like he's thinking about what she's saying by the end of the clip. Which, really, is the major difference - a willingness to listen and consider, even if the response remains more or less the same.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She does go on to point out that in the past (going quite far back) he sometimes hasn't opposed policies that could be seen as racist. He denies that she has the full details right, and does look like he's thinking about what she's saying by the end of the clip. Which, really, is the major difference - a willingness to listen and consider, even if the response remains more or less the same.

Absolutely, so refreshing as well compared to how Trump would have dealt with that

[arista]

Biden is in charge
not her.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Playing devil's advocate though - IS that actually racist? I would think it might be accurate and a perfectly good reason to not want a Churchill bust in your office, because Churchill's attitudes towards Africa were awful.

I suppose it depends on the tone of how Boris said it though - was he being understanding (doubtful...) or dismissive (I think likely).

I don't know, but I would imagine dismissive like when he made that comment about our then Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, asking "why wasn't he called Murphy like the rest of them"